Chicago Bears vs. San Francisco 49ers Rebuilding Plan

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Not even close

I'd much rather be in the playoffs.
Gives you a chance and anything can happen.

Bears did it right.
Rams did it right
Both teams are/were in it

Hopefully Lynch/Kyle get some s**t figured out like instead of stating "we will draft our way out of this", they actually quit tossing our draft picks away like gum-drops

Bears got a 2 year window to be in it before the lack of depth will kill them once Mitch gets paid.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Totally unfair comparison.
13 players on the Bears were there before 2017......C'mon.
and it's not like those are small pieces they added prior to 2017.
Hicks, Fuller, Travathean, Adrian Amos, Leonard Floyd, 4/5 their OL.

I'm sure if Lynch and Shanny had almost an entirely put together OL, 1/2 their secondary, 1/2 their LB's and a Stud DLineman in place when they arrived they'd be in a much better position too.

They came in with Buckner.....that's it.....Buckner.....Add Travathean, Amos, Floyd, Fuller and their G's to our team and tell me we aren't wayyyyyyy better.

Not really. All this was addressed throughout this entire thread. There is also a comparison of the Bears first 2 years of their rebuild vs. ours (defined by having a new GM). In addition, many angles were discussed on even defining when a rebuild technically starts. Good stuff all around. I appreciate all the discussion.

Now we need to add pieces in year 3.

Welp, maybe that massive two-year head start wasn't viewed as such from the inside. Freaking Vic. LOL

"Here's what happened to the Bears before I got there. What they were doing was putting Band-Aids on every little problem, hoping they would be a good team the next year," Fangio explained. "By the time we got there, they sucked. They were old, no young talent, no nothing. I've coached on two expansions teams in Carolina and with the Texans, and our roster on defense when I was hired (by the Bears) was worse than those expansion team defenses"

Originally posted by NCommand:
Welp, maybe that massive two-year head start wasn't viewed as such from the inside. Freaking Vic. LOL

"Here's what happened to the Bears before I got there. What they were doing was putting Band-Aids on every little problem, hoping they would be a good team the next year," Fangio explained. "By the time we got there, they sucked. They were old, no young talent, no nothing. I've coached on two expansions teams in Carolina and with the Texans, and our roster on defense when I was hired (by the Bears) was worse than those expansion team defenses"

Love Vic. Wish he was still here.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Love Vic. Wish he was still here.

Me too. Straight-shooter to say the least.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Welp, maybe that massive two-year head start wasn't viewed as such from the inside. Freaking Vic. LOL

"Here's what happened to the Bears before I got there. What they were doing was putting Band-Aids on every little problem, hoping they would be a good team the next year," Fangio explained. "By the time we got there, they sucked. They were old, no young talent, no nothing. I've coached on two expansions teams in Carolina and with the Texans, and our roster on defense when I was hired (by the Bears) was worse than those expansion team defenses"

Pace and Lynch's first 2 seasons at the helm look pretty comparable to me...situation they wallked into, drafts, FAs, records, etc. let's see how year 3 goes for Lynch and co and hopefully the team can exceed Pace's teams 5-11 year 3 record.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Welp, maybe that massive two-year head start wasn't viewed as such from the inside. Freaking Vic. LOL

"Here's what happened to the Bears before I got there. What they were doing was putting Band-Aids on every little problem, hoping they would be a good team the next year," Fangio explained. "By the time we got there, they sucked. They were old, no young talent, no nothing. I've coached on two expansions teams in Carolina and with the Texans, and our roster on defense when I was hired (by the Bears) was worse than those expansion team defenses"

Pace and Lynch's first 2 seasons at the helm look pretty comparable to me...situation they wallked into, drafts, FAs, records, etc. let's see how year 3 goes for Lynch and co and hopefully the team can exceed Pace's teams 5-11 year 3 record.

Yeah, it's not too far off if you define a rebuild by the start of a new GM.

Year 3 is the big one. Agreed.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Welp, maybe that massive two-year head start wasn't viewed as such from the inside. Freaking Vic. LOL

"Here's what happened to the Bears before I got there. What they were doing was putting Band-Aids on every little problem, hoping they would be a good team the next year," Fangio explained. "By the time we got there, they sucked. They were old, no young talent, no nothing. I've coached on two expansions teams in Carolina and with the Texans, and our roster on defense when I was hired (by the Bears) was worse than those expansion team defenses"

Pace and Lynch's first 2 seasons at the helm look pretty comparable to me...situation they wallked into, drafts, FAs, records, etc. let's see how year 3 goes for Lynch and co and hopefully the team can exceed Pace's teams 5-11 year 3 record.

Yeah, it's not too far off if you define a rebuild by the start of a new GM.

Year 3 is the big one. Agreed.

I would define a rebuild a few ways, not necessarily when a new GM comes aboard, but rather when a new GM walks into a dumpster fire that is devoid of talent and the GM essentially has to tear it all down and start from scratch. Both Pace and Lynch walked into similar situations and their 1st 2 years seem pretty aligned.

they lost LORD FANGIO, so I give us the edge in the rebuilding department atm.

1 playoff loss and 1 missed ez gw field goal = 2018 Bears, lost main reason defense was good.
0 playoff loss and 0 missed ez gw field goal = 2018 49ers, still retains reason defense was bad, but got assistants!

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
they lost LORD FANGIO, so I give us the edge in the rebuilding department atm.

1 playoff loss and 1 missed ez gw field goal = 2018 Bears, lost main reason defense was good.
0 playoff loss and 0 missed ez gw field goal = 2018 49ers, still retains reason defense was bad, but got assistants!

LOL

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Welp, maybe that massive two-year head start wasn't viewed as such from the inside. Freaking Vic. LOL

"Here's what happened to the Bears before I got there. What they were doing was putting Band-Aids on every little problem, hoping they would be a good team the next year," Fangio explained. "By the time we got there, they sucked. They were old, no young talent, no nothing. I've coached on two expansions teams in Carolina and with the Texans, and our roster on defense when I was hired (by the Bears) was worse than those expansion team defenses"

Pace and Lynch's first 2 seasons at the helm look pretty comparable to me...situation they wallked into, drafts, FAs, records, etc. let's see how year 3 goes for Lynch and co and hopefully the team can exceed Pace's teams 5-11 year 3 record.

Yeah, it's not too far off if you define a rebuild by the start of a new GM.

Year 3 is the big one. Agreed.

I would define a rebuild a few ways, not necessarily when a new GM comes aboard, but rather when a new GM walks into a dumpster fire that is devoid of talent and the GM essentially has to tear it all down and start from scratch. Both Pace and Lynch walked into similar situations and their 1st 2 years seem pretty aligned.

Yeah, I agree that you need to look at the circumstances inherited of a new regime. Some, the work's already been done for them, others, like the Bears/49ers, only had a handful of good holdover players to start from (hence the comparison). But the rebuild kicks up a big notch whether you're in year 2 or 8 once you get your FQB (close to finishing the rebuild). They got theirs in year 3 (rookie though) and playoffs the next year and we got ours in year 2 so we should be threatening the playoffs this year if we build up the rest of the roster enough like they did. IMHO, of course.

49ers > insert nfl team

For all the love you all are giving Ryan Pace don't forget in 2017 he gave Mike Glennon a 3/45 million dollar contract.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

For all the love you all are giving Ryan Pace don't forget in 2017 he gave Mike Glennon a 3/45 million dollar contract.

Love? But yeah, no bueno. It shows you how desperate teams are to find quality QB's. But typically, QB is the HC's job/call. But the GM still has to sign off on it.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

they lost LORD FANGIO, so I give us the edge in the rebuilding department atm.

1 playoff loss and 1 missed ez gw field goal = 2018 Bears, lost main reason defense was good.
0 playoff loss and 0 missed ez gw field goal = 2018 49ers, still retains reason defense was bad, but got assistants!

Ever since the Niners lost lord fangio, this defense has been bottom of the barrell bad