Chicago Bears vs. San Francisco 49ers Rebuilding Plan

Bears showing a commitment to keep core players together - announcing a 4 year extension for Kyle Long. Though no terms were announced, it sounds like it may free up a little much-needed cap space.

Originally posted by dj43:

Bears showing a commitment to keep core players together - announcing a 4 year extension for Kyle Long. Though no terms were announced, it sounds like it may free up a little much-needed cap space.

Smart. They aren't going to get Gould now too so the odds of keeping Callahan and Amos are a little better now unless they somehow price themselves out of their range.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

With what money though?

If they want him, they'll work it out.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:
Bears showing a commitment to keep core players together - announcing a 4 year extension for Kyle Long. Though no terms were announced, it sounds like it may free up a little much-needed cap space.

Smart. They aren't going to get Gould now too so the odds of keeping Callahan and Amos are a little better now unless they somehow price themselves out of their range.

In the long run, either of those guys will be more valuable to the Bears than Gould.

They are still a long way from out of the woods but Pace is showing an understanding of taking a long view of team building.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Bears showing a commitment to keep core players together - announcing a 4 year extension for Kyle Long. Though no terms were announced, it sounds like it may free up a little much-needed cap space.

Smart. They aren't going to get Gould now too so the odds of keeping Callahan and Amos are a little better now unless they somehow price themselves out of their range.

In the long run, either of those guys will be more valuable to the Bears than Gould.

They are still a long way from out of the woods but Pace is showing an understanding of taking a long view of team building.

Definitely. This is why you also add 24-27 year old FA's too. They can grow right along with your drafted players for 4-5 years. Granted, that usually drives up the price too.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Morgan49:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Morgan49:

Originally posted by elguapo:

You both make great points I am a little more skewed to hoovs argument but also we need more quality starters just not starters that contribute. Both of you are right. Either way, we need more quality starters

I liked what we did last year in free agency and hope this year we get earl Thomas and Brandon graham

Man. You want Thomas? I don't think I could stomach another seahawk on the team. Plus, I think he would get hurt and miss some games.

As long as he plays closer to Richard Sherman than Malcolm Smith.

I definitely want Thomas. What did he have three interceptions in three games last year? He still has it and if we got him and Antonio Brown you can throw in 3 to 4 more wins a year just on that alone and that's not counting Jimmy Garoppolo.

Lol. Isn't that more ints than our whole team had last year?

I know right? Sherman is the man (I still hate saying that...a little) if Dallas doesn't get him he's ours. But Dallas is going to get him dammit

With what money though?

I wish I could agree with you if they have 40 or 50 million they have to extend Lawrence Elliot Prescott and hopefully Cooper. A lot of teams work around the cap Or cut a player or two or restructure. The cap keeps going up every year so a lot of teams can keep their good players. Hopefully this works out for us

Philly...latest example of yet another team in the red having no issues resigning Brandon Graham.

#CapHellMyth

Originally posted by NCommand:
Philly...latest example of yet another team in the red having no issues resigning Brandon Graham.

#CapHellMyth

If it's a myth why not franchise Foles and get something for him?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Philly...latest example of yet another team in the red having no issues resigning Brandon Graham.

#CapHellMyth

You are right, teams can restructure contracts give bonuses or extend players they can get around it. Especially since the cap Is rising almost 10 mil a year. We need to overpay for Earl Thomas and a pass rusher right the f**k now! Enough of this prudent and trying s**t. Already pussed out on AB so let's go

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Philly...latest example of yet another team in the red having no issues resigning Brandon Graham.

#CapHellMyth

If it's a myth why not franchise Foles and get something for him?

Because doing so is against the collective bargaining agreement and it would end up in court and the ruling would go Foles way. They wanted to but knew they would be wasting everyone's time.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Philly...latest example of yet another team in the red having no issues resigning Brandon Graham.

#CapHellMyth

If it's a myth why not franchise Foles and get something for him?

It's not a myth or else we would have the same big market big money teams in the playoffs every year. Some just like to use this as evidence for their poor view on the team/Lynch.

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Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Philly...latest example of yet another team in the red having no issues resigning Brandon Graham.

#CapHellMyth

If it's a myth why not franchise Foles and get something for him?

It's not a myth or else we would have the same big market big money teams in the playoffs every year. Some just like to use this as evidence for their poor view on the team/Lynch.

Name one team that's gone in salary cap hell since us.

But to your point, yes, it's still producing parity enough but the bottom line is, if you want to go get a player or retain a player, the cap certainly isn't stopping you esp. with a wizard like Paraag at the helm.

Once Lynch learns this, you'll see the talent level increase.

And this helps too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Philly...latest example of yet another team in the red having no issues resigning Brandon Graham.

#CapHellMyth

If it's a myth why not franchise Foles and get something for him?

It's not a myth or else we would have the same big market big money teams in the playoffs every year. Some just like to use this as evidence for their poor view on the team/Lynch.

Name one team that's gone in salary cap hell since us.

But to your point, yes, it's still producing parity enough but the bottom line is, if you want to go get a player or retain a player, the cap certainly isn't stopping you esp. with a wizard like Paraag at the helm.

Once Lynch learns this, you'll see the talent level increase.

Your last sentence is very confusing NC. I thought you said Paraag is the one who has this structure in place on what or what not to pay?
I mean you know my feelings on this, I don't buy it, but if we go by what you have said about Paraag and not exceeding 10mil, why does Lynch need to learn anything?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Philly...latest example of yet another team in the red having no issues resigning Brandon Graham.

#CapHellMyth

If it's a myth why not franchise Foles and get something for him?

It's not a myth or else we would have the same big market big money teams in the playoffs every year. Some just like to use this as evidence for their poor view on the team/Lynch.

Name one team that's gone in salary cap hell since us.

But to your point, yes, it's still producing parity enough but the bottom line is, if you want to go get a player or retain a player, the cap certainly isn't stopping you esp. with a wizard like Paraag at the helm.

Once Lynch learns this, you'll see the talent level increase.

Your last sentence is very confusing NC. I thought you said Paraag is the one who has this structure in place on what or what not to pay?
I mean you know my feelings on this, I don't buy it, but if we go by what you have said about Paraag and not exceeding 10mil, why does Lynch need to learn anything?

Like Jason_OTC stated, I think Paraag sets a hard cap annually and his band of moneyball analysts help provide the parameters/pools of "value players" but within that, ShanaLynch have the freedom to choose their own players. This is why you see such a consistent push for "conservative value" over all these years. As the $ increases, the perceived value decreases from this model.

They can spend $1 or push the hard cap limit.

So in your $10M point, they certainly could go over that (but never do).

For instance, they could get someone like Trey Flowers at $17M but then they are left with way less to work with on a team that has a hole everywhere save for QB, per Kyle.

ShanaLynch also control the culture of the team and it sends a bad message to the rest of the team if they pay some outside FA more than Joe Staley. The fear is others will start holding out and cause problems and affects work ethic.