Chicago Bears vs. San Francisco 49ers Rebuilding Plan

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Mack maybe but I'd still rather keep out 1st round picks.

Robinson is average. He is averaging 57 YPC which translates to 955 yards over 16. That is not worth 10 mil a year.

FYI: Robinson is getting healthy now (had a groin for about a month); had 133 yards and 2 TD's last game. Got some explosion back. He'd be the perfect fit at Z for us.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Long term you'll take the older qb who has 2 signifficant injuries in about 10 starts? Homers gonna homer

I'll give you the injuries that is a concern but Jimmy just turned 27.

I appreciate the length you went to make this thread, but ultimately there are only 2 differences in the two teams that matter.

1) health of franchise QBs

2) one team had the balls to trade for a Defensive Player of the Year just entering his prime, and one team had to try to comfort its fans by selling a story that they were close to trading for said DPOY.

Its really that simple.

Why is everyone saying that once we are healthy we can compare. Being healthy is a part of it whether you like it or not. If we never stay healthy can you say oh well we cant compare the rebuilds because we never got healthy. Plus, we have had numerous player hurt year in and out. At some point you have to really ask why do we continually have so many people hurt. Staff, development, players themselves. What is it

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

I appreciate the length you went to make this thread, but ultimately there are only 2 differences in the two teams that matter.

1) health of franchise QBs

2) one team had the balls to trade for a Defensive Player of the Year just entering his prime, and one team had to try to comfort its fans by selling a story that they were close to trading for said DPOY.

Its really that simple.

LMAO...thanks. You still have the best name in here; makes me laugh every time.

Originally posted by teylo31:

Why is everyone saying that once we are healthy we can compare. Being healthy is a part of it whether you like it or not. If we never stay healthy can you say oh well we cant compare the rebuilds because we never got healthy. Plus, we have had numerous player hurt year in and out. At some point you have to really ask why do we continually have so many people hurt. Staff, development, players themselves. What is it

The best ability is availability

Originally posted by teylo31:

Why is everyone saying that once we are healthy we can compare. Being healthy is a part of it whether you like it or not. If we never stay healthy can you say oh well we cant compare the rebuilds because we never got healthy. Plus, we have had numerous player hurt year in and out. At some point you have to really ask why do we continually have so many people hurt. Staff, development, players themselves. What is it

Totally fair. The thing, outside a FQB, is there were only two teams more injured than us on the aggregate over the past 4 years...Chicago and Washington.

That said, we're still one of the most injured and they've seemed to have flipped the script this year; maybe with better players comes better health.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by teylo31:

Why is everyone saying that once we are healthy we can compare. Being healthy is a part of it whether you like it or not. If we never stay healthy can you say oh well we cant compare the rebuilds because we never got healthy. Plus, we have had numerous player hurt year in and out. At some point you have to really ask why do we continually have so many people hurt. Staff, development, players themselves. What is it

Totally fair. The thing, outside a FQB, is there were only two teams more injured than us on the aggregate over the past 4 years...Chicago and Washington.

That said, we're still one of the most injured and they've seemed to have flipped the script this year; maybe with better players comes better health.

I wasnt directing my post at you just in general. Seems like this team gets a pass lately because players are hurt but that situation needs to be fixed

Originally posted by teylo31:

I wasnt directing my post at you just in general. Seems like this team gets a pass lately because players are hurt but that situation needs to be fixed

Oh no, no worries at all. I'm totally with you on this. There's more to this than just something in the water. Bears turned it around...hope we can do the same next year.

Hilarious how obsessed NCommand is with comparing Bears rebuild to the Niners..lol

Originally posted by FL9er:

Hilarious how obsessed NCommand is with comparing Bears rebuild to the Niners..lol

Excellent contribution to the topic, man.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Given that the Bears started rebuilding the same time we did (2017)

Not true.

Bears started rebuilding in 2015 when they hired Ryan Pace to right the ship. He is now on his second HC and has had the same DC and defensive system in place since then.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Given that the Bears started rebuilding the same time we did (2017)

Not true.

Bears started rebuilding in 2015 when they hired Ryan Pace to right the ship. He is now on his second HC and has had the same DC and defensive system in place since then.

You'll never have an absolutely perfect comparison as there will always be some hangovers from previous regimes. Also, look at who they have starting today...16 of their starters are from 2017 & 2018. Both were drafting at #2 & #3 and both needed a FQB and have new FO's. Both had HC and system changes. Both could have retained or grabbed a new DC and position coaches if they wanted this off season (Fangio vs. Saleh).

We have a similar number of starters hanging over from the previous regime: Buckner, Blair, Mostert, Staley, Armstead, Ward, Tartt, etc. and chose to move on from others (Mike Person back over Joshua Garnett or Mark Nzeocha over Eli Harold or Jerick McKinnon over Carlos Hyde).

It's about as close as you're going to get.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Excellent contribution to the topic, man.

I was just busting your chops. I don't think it's a fair comparison. Pace was under the gun this offseason to get things right as most GMs don't get to hire a 3rd HC, which is why he was willing to take some chances. It looks good now, but ultimately it's going to come down whether or not Trubisky is the guy.

Lynch and Shanahan just got here and don't you think we'd be at least a fringe playoff team if having a full complement of starters?

I see no reason why the 49ers can't have a Bears like offseason in March and be the surprise team in 2019.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Excellent contribution to the topic, man.

I was just busting your chops. I don't think it's a fair comparison. Pace was under the gun this offseason to get things right as most GMs don't get to hire a 3rd HC, which is why he was willing to take some chances. It looks good now, but ultimately it's going to come down whether or not Trubisky is the guy.

Lynch and Shanahan just got here and don't you think we'd be at least a fringe playoff team if having a full complement of starters?

I see no reason why the 49ers can't have a Bears like offseason in March and be the surprise team in 2019.

Haha...you're a good poster. I was just giving it back to you in fun.

But to your point, that was sort of the point of the side-by-side comparison; not just where they both end up this year but 2019, 2020, etc.

And good point about the sense of urgency. And luckily for him, some pretty young special core players were on the market and willing to sign with them. And his draft picks and other FA picks seem to be panning out too and they've finally shaken their injury streak. As we know, that's kind of a big deal!