Chicago Bears vs. San Francisco 49ers Rebuilding Plan

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
if we get bounced in a 1 and done playoffs, we're basically equal and im being honest.

No you aren't. So in your opinion an 11-3 team and a 7-7 team are equal if the 11-3 team loses in the playoffs game 1, even though the 7-7 team won't even get to the playoffs! So in your view every team in the NFL is equal, except for those who advance past the first game of the playoffs.

And that is without making allowances for the significantly tougher division.

I "think" he means we're a year behind them in the rebuild (depending on how one define the 'start' of a rebuild) so we needed to win our division this year and get bounced the first round of the playoffs like they did last year.

...we're certainly looking far better going forward though. They now need a new QB, OC, offensive scheme and HC. If they had even an average QB, even with the defensive losses in FA/injuries this year, they'd probably be a playoff team at least.

OK if you say so.

But if they need a new qb, HC, OC and scheme, the competition is over! That's nearly the start of a new rebuild. And if Trubisky is officially a bust (I don't think he is) will Pace survive?

what NC said.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Wow you're bailing on Nagy? That college offense they run is built around the skill set of their quarterback. I think the problem is clearly Trubisky. It appears he was overdrafted.

I just don't see it, honestly. I've always said they'll only go as Trubisky goes and while he only flashes, I just don't see the scheme a challenge for defenses at all. Maybe that's just me.

Originally posted by English:

OK if you say so.

But if they need a new qb, HC, OC and scheme, the competition is over! That's nearly the start of a new rebuild. And if Trubisky is officially a bust (I don't think he is) will Pace survive?

No, I agree. The comparison has been over once their QB didn't hit and ours did. LOL. Next year, we'll blow by them.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

what NC said.

Originally posted by NCommand:

No, I agree. The comparison has been over once their QB didn't hit and ours did. LOL. Next year, we'll blow by them.

49ers have already blown by them. ShanaLynch in Year 3 have surpassed what Pace has done in 5 years of roster building.

Originally posted by FL9er:

I think the point he was trying to make is that the drop off from the defense far outweighs how much the offense has regressed, which is why there has been a decline in wins. This year sacks, takeaways, redzone D, rush TDs are all worse than a year ago. They were healthy on that side of the ball last year, this year not so much.

A lot of that stuff comes down to luck which isn't sustainable. Last year they had a weak schedule and a ton of turnovers that gave their offense favorable field position. This year they've regressed to the mean.

While the Bears still sport one of the league's better defenses, they've declined in exactly the way we would have expected heading into the season. In 2018, they forced turnovers on 19.1% of drives and picked off 4.4% of opposing pass attempts, with both marks leading in the NFL. There's also virtually no track record of teams keeping that up year after year, especially in a league in which interception rates have been falling.

Guess what has happened in 2019? The Bears are forcing turnovers on 9.4% of opposing possessions, which ranks 23rd in the NFL. Their interception rate has fallen all the way to 1.5%, which is 29th in the league. The underlying defensive performance hasn't changed all that much. When they didn't end drives with a turnover in 2018, they allowed 1.8 points per drive, the second-best rate in football. In 2019, when they don't end a drive with a turnover, they are allowing 2.0 points per drive, which is fifth in the NFL. Much of the talent is still there, but the results were never going to be the same.

Take No. 1 cornerback Kyle Fuller, who long had a reputation in Chicago for struggling to catch would-be interceptions. Last season, Fuller tied for the league lead with seven picks and was an All-Pro. It was reminiscent of Carlos Rogers' Pro Bowl season under Vic Fangio in San Francisco in 2011. Rogers went back to his old self the following season, and Fuller has three picks on 97 targets this year, according to NFL Next Gen Stats, with the latter figure ranking third in the NFL. The 27-year-old has subsequently allowed more passing yards as the closest defender in coverage (861) than any player in football.

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

49ers have already blown by them. ShanaLynch in Year 3 have surpassed what Pace has done in 5 years of roster building.

I concur. It's not that close our offense is second in points and there's absolutely sucks. Our injured defense is a lot better as well. It's not even a question at this point

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

No, I agree. The comparison has been over once their QB didn't hit and ours did. LOL. Next year, we'll blow by them.

49ers have already blown by them. ShanaLynch in Year 3 have surpassed what Pace has done in 5 years of roster building.

as if that will ever happen

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

49ers have already blown by them. ShanaLynch in Year 3 have surpassed what Pace has done in 5 years of roster building.

I concur. It's not that close our offense is second in points and there's absolutely sucks. Our injured defense is a lot better as well. It's not even a question at this point

True true. If you're going on a 2 year difference like Phoenix, no doubt (thought it was one for some reason). Still would like to win the division and go further than the first round.

This year, straight up, duh.

The future, way brighter.

It should be an attractive job though. There's plenty of talent there...just need a QB and modern day offense. Defense just needs health. Jim Harbaugh???

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

as if that will ever happen

it did.

Such a weirdo.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

as if that will ever happen

it did.

Such a weirdo.

Whoosh

It sounds crazy to believe, but an FB acquaintance claimed right before the season started that he felt the Bears had a really good chance of going undefeated.

That's right, undefeated, 16-0.

He had all these reasons why it could/should happen and I politely challenged him saying that it's hard AF for even the best of the best teams to pull that off. Only a Tom Brady in his prime was able to do that and still got lucky pulling it off - no way is Trubisky pulling that off.

Anyway, just wanted to throw that interesting homerism in the air right now at season's end.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

It sounds crazy to believe, but an FB acquaintance claimed right before the season started that he felt the Bears had a really good chance of going undefeated.

That's right, undefeated, 16-0.

He had all these reasons why it could/should happen and I politely challenged him saying that it's hard AF for even the best of the best teams to pull that off. Only a Tom Brady in his prime was able to do that and still got lucky pulling it off - no way is Trubisky pulling that off.

Anyway, just wanted to throw that interesting homerism in the air right now at season's end.

LOL. Any person thinking a team would go undefeated with Trubisky at the helm, is on a homer level few have ever witnessed before.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
It sounds crazy to believe, but an FB acquaintance claimed right before the season started that he felt the Bears had a really good chance of going undefeated.

That's right, undefeated, 16-0.

He had all these reasons why it could/should happen and I politely challenged him saying that it's hard AF for even the best of the best teams to pull that off. Only a Tom Brady in his prime was able to do that and still got lucky pulling it off - no way is Trubisky pulling that off.

Anyway, just wanted to throw that interesting homerism in the air right now at season's end.

LOL. Any person thinking a team would go undefeated with Trubisky at the helm, is on a homer level few have ever witnessed before.

The frustrating thing about Trubisky is his inconsistency. He will make a couple of great plays and then a clunker. He has also been burdened with only one decent weapon around him (Robinson) and he is only a #2 at best. No TE. His best RB left in FA. It is also fair to point out he is still one of the least experienced QBs among the young guns around the league, having only played one year in college.

Of course, all that says is that Pace's model for franchise-building is flawed.

Originally posted by dj43:

The frustrating thing about Trubisky is his inconsistency. He will make a couple of great plays and then a clunker. He has also been burdened with only one decent weapon around him (Robinson) and he is only a #2 at best. No TE. His best RB left in FA. It is also fair to point out he is still one of the least experienced QBs among the young guns around the league, having only played one year in college.

Of course, all that says is that Pace's model for franchise-building is flawed.

Seriously. At the end of the day, no matter how much talent you bring in, as a GM, if you don't hit on a QB and HC, it's over for you. All GM's are judged by finding those two pieces.

Imagine Lynch with C.J. BeatHard right now...or a fully guaranteed contract for Kirk Cousins. It wouldn't be pretty.