Chicago Bears vs. San Francisco 49ers Rebuilding Plan

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
I'm not here to hate on trubisky. He's playing well this season. But I'm also not ready to anoint him as legit. Plenty of young QBs have had a decent to good 2nd or even 3rd year before the league catches up with them.

This is very true.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

I'm not here to hate on trubisky. He's playing well this season. But I'm also not ready to anoint him as legit. Plenty of young QBs have had a decent to good 2nd or even 3rd year before the league catches up with them.

This is very true.

He has more starts than Jimmy G .

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

The key here is Khalil Mack and Allen Robinson.

They acquired both of them. We did not.

I bet our records are reversed if we had acquired them instead (well the Bears are still probably better than 2-8 since Trubisky likely doesn't get hurt).

Oh well.

This. Plus Mitch imo Is not a good quarterback. I've been saying how he is very inaccurate especially over 10 yards and is not good under pressure. That is why our rebuild will be much better when we have a healthy Jimmy Garoppolo. We would be seven wins and three losses right now. Oh well. Love those injuries. Saleh had helped make the d much worse with his play calling and rotations.

We don't necessarily need a number one receiver but it would've been nice. Robinson is not a great number one but he is pretty solid. And Mack, that's not even a question. We would not of gotten him anyway because the Raiders figured the Bears will be picking in the top five. So we would've had to offer probably 2 firsts and a second minimum. He is worth it but most front offices would not of given that much up.

A healthy jimmy g on the bears, that team would be undefeated.

A healthy mitch on the niners, that team would be a 3-7 team

Originally posted by pdizo916:

A healthy jimmy g on the bears, that team would be undefeated.

A healthy mitch on the niners, that team would be a 3-7 team

Facts

Pretty sure Jimmy G blowing out his knee is major factor in our record being s**tty and the development of some of our young players.

Thanks for all the work you put into that.
My initial thought was "thanks for killing my high during the bye week " but then the more I think of it, the Mack deal solves a big piece of their puzzle but could impact them in the future with the draft pick sacrifice while our Jimmy G trade solves one of our problems for much less draft compensation.
However I wouldn't have minded if we would have signed Robinson and traded for Mack instead of the McKinnon signing. I think Breida and Mostert if healthy would have been an adequate replacement, albeit without seeing McKinnon in action here makes it an unqualified (hindsight) observation

Originally posted by Sourball:
Thanks for all the work you put into that.
My initial thought was "thanks for killing my high during the bye week " but then the more I think of it, the Mack deal solves a big piece of their puzzle but could impact them in the future with the draft pick sacrifice while our Jimmy G trade solves one of our problems for much less draft compensation.
However I wouldn't have minded if we would have signed Robinson and traded for Mack instead of the McKinnon signing. I think Breida and Mostert if healthy would have been an adequate replacement, albeit without seeing McKinnon in action here makes it an unqualified (hindsight) observation

And Mack can impact their future with 10 plus sacks a year for the next 5 years. Realistically what are the chances you get a player of his caliber with those picks? The draft is a gamble. It could play out either way. Plus it's not as if they can't make other moves to recoup those picks. Of course we gave up less comp for Jimmy b/c he wasn't a proven commodity like Mack.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

A healthy jimmy g on the bears, that team would be undefeated.

A healthy mitch on the niners, that team would be a 3-7 team

Facts

Actually those are not facts

Originally posted by teylo31:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

A healthy jimmy g on the bears, that team would be undefeated.

A healthy mitch on the niners, that team would be a 3-7 team

Facts

Actually those are not facts

I'd like to believe that as well but this year, both have near identical PFF grades.

I'm guessing JG is still the better QB but Trubisky will now have something JG has never had...a full 16 games within a new system to grow and develop within.

The talent gap next year may not be as big as Trubisky's experience within the system may help close the talent gap; should be a pretty even playing field.

Either way, ShanaLynch need to get off their asses and start surrounding Garoppolo with real skill positions and talent and get a much more experienced DC who can bring terrific position coaches with him and add significantly more talent to that defense.

Originally posted by Heroism:

I think it's safe to say the Bears are no longer rebuilding. That team is ready to win now. Their front 7 is freaken stacked.

I don't know if I've ever seen a collective PFF average of near 80. That is some serious talent top to bottom coupled with an excellent scheme and coaching/development...so much so, you could tell the rookie out there is Roquan Smith.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I remember everyone talking about how the 49ers "Fleeced" the Bears, and Lynch/Kyle, said, hey we loved the offer, but they are also happy....

And I said in here, what if Trubisky ends up being a legit QB? lol He is looking solid imo.

Yeah, Kyle lit up talking about Trubisky. I had mocked him to us because I figured with a 6 year contract, he'd have no issues developing a young guy. When the Bears grabbed him, I thought it would end up a win-win for both teams. Well...um....

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

I'm not here to hate on trubisky. He's playing well this season. But I'm also not ready to anoint him as legit. Plenty of young QBs have had a decent to good 2nd or even 3rd year before the league catches up with them.

Agreed. That said, under Nagy, he's likely going to reach his full potential and with a top 10 rushing attack and elite defense (one where you can be aggressive and not worry as much about TO's automatically turning into points for the opposition), he's in prime position for a young QB. It's on him now.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, Kyle lit up talking about Trubisky. I had mocked him to us because I figured with a 6 year contract, he'd have no issues developing a young guy. When the Bears grabbed him, I thought it would end up a win-win for both teams. Well...um....

I wanted us to go rookie because a) you expect Shanny could develop one b) you get that cheap rookie deal so you can add a Robinson, Mack.

Jimmy works fine though.

Originally posted by Sourball:

Thanks for all the work you put into that.

My initial thought was "thanks for killing my high during the bye week " but then the more I think of it, the Mack deal solves a big piece of their puzzle but could impact them in the future with the draft pick sacrifice while our Jimmy G trade solves one of our problems for much less draft compensation.

However I wouldn't have minded if we would have signed Robinson and traded for Mack instead of the McKinnon signing. I think Breida and Mostert if healthy would have been an adequate replacement, albeit without seeing McKinnon in action here makes it an unqualified (hindsight) observation

Haha...sorry about that! I appreciate the kind words.

Yeah, Mack takes a defense that was top 5 'without' him, into an elite realm 'with' him. It's just not even fair.

Gruden could have had our #1 draft pick. Now THAT is a lose-lose.