Starting an NFL Franchise today, Shanny or McVay?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Mcvay by a landslide. At least he knows how to hire qualified assistants and coordinators. Mcvay with Kyle as an OC would be great.

We tried to hire Brian Flores, Vic Fangio and Gus Bradley before settling for Saleh.

How many times do we have to go over this?

That is a fail for not getting a good staff. Why not try to get another guy this season if Saleh was really the 4th choice and last year we were obviously poor defensively? What happens if Saleh comes back?

McVay got his staff, got some key players via trade, draft and FA, kept his stud DT, and fixed the QB.

They are a super bowl contender and we are first overall pick contender. It is a night and day turnaround.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
People laugh at us for bragging about 5 rings from prior ownership 24 years ago.

Similar to the Cowgirls that choke in every playoff game. They were on the brink of failure this year. Looking for a new QB, new Coach...with acquiring 1 playmaker, it's changed their entire season. We just need a playmaker or two on O/D for next year to help out Jimmy G and we will be fine.

I'm hoping Shanny puts around him the right coaching staff and playmakers next year to make that happen. Again, I don't really care about other Non-49er Fans think. Don't go soft on us

I chose Mcvay because he is probably close to the play caller Shanny is but he chose his coaching staff better and is younger.

McVay. dude is a football savant. but i'm okay with KS as well, he'll be fine as long as he gets rid of Saleh, Jimmy can stay healthy, and Lynch isn't Baalke 2.0 at drafting.

I don't see much of a difference between the two. I'm sure you give Shanny the weapons the Rams have, he'd have similar success.

I've said this many times, the biggest difference is McVay having Wade Phillips as his DC. I'm sure if we had Lord Fangio as our DC, this team would look way different.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Mcvay by a landslide. At least he knows how to hire qualified assistants and coordinators. Mcvay with Kyle as an OC would be great.

We tried to hire Brian Flores, Vic Fangio and Gus Bradley before settling for Saleh.

How many times do we have to go over this?

I don't recall reading about job offers to Fangio, Bradley or Flores. Shanahan doesn't seem to like to have more experienced people around him (Lynch, Saleh).

Both are good. It comes down to who has the best players. Funny how Belichek was a terrible coach at Cleveland but got great when he found Brady. McCarthy was good at Green Bay until the talent started dropping off. Good coaches can help a team win but they can't do much without talent. Bill Walsh couldn't do much with this years team with all the injuries we've had.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Mcvay by a landslide. At least he knows how to hire qualified assistants and coordinators. Mcvay with Kyle as an OC would be great.

We tried to hire Brian Flores, Vic Fangio and Gus Bradley before settling for Saleh.

How many times do we have to go over this?

John Lynch and the rest of the 49ers are really good at "trying".

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Both are good. It comes down to who has the best players. Funny how Belichek was a terrible coach at Cleveland but got great when he found Brady. McCarthy was good at Green Bay until the talent started dropping off. Good coaches can help a team win but they can't do much without talent. Bill Walsh couldn't do much with this years team with all the injuries we've had.

he wasn't terrible at Cle, 36–44 record, and a playoff win. and it's Cleveland...

and of course you need good players to look good as a coach, but he wasn't terrible. and McCarthy, no idea how he even got that job in GB. he was an average OC when he was here, god knows how he managed to stay there coaching for 10 years. they would've had at least another SB if they were coached by someone else.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:
Mcvay by a landslide. At least he knows how to hire qualified assistants and coordinators. Mcvay with Kyle as an OC would be great.

We tried to hire Brian Flores, Vic Fangio and Gus Bradley before settling for Saleh.

How many times do we have to go over this?

I don't recall reading about job offers to Fangio, Bradley or Flores. Shanahan doesn't seem to like to have more experienced people around him (Lynch, Saleh).

We 100% reached out to Fangio and Bradley. It was a big story in the 2017 offseason. There were rumors Shanahan was interested in Flores too the same day of the Super Bowl.

This is like comparing George Seifert to Bill Walsh.
McVay (Seifert) has a loaded team that somebody else put together and all he has to do is not screw it up. Yes he brought the team to life after Fisher had it flat lining but he didn't "build" this team.
Shanahan (Walsh) took over a team with no direction and short on talent and has to start from scratch.
It depends on which franchise you are starting to build? One with talent or one that needs to be turned over in it's entirety.
Switch teams with McVay and Shanahan now and I doubt the records would be all that different.
Hiring of assistants is a whole other matter. Saleh was not chosen over Wade Phillips, Fangio Bradley etc. He was last man standing after the Super Bowl. Give McVay a bottom rung rookie DC to start his coaching career and Goff and Gurley out for the next season and then who knows?
As for Rams and 49ers, only time will tell which of the 2 are sustainable after the current rosters are turned over and head coaches are the only common denominator.
My choice is both would be good coaches to build a team around but right now it's apples and oranges in samples to judge by, obviously McVay in current scenario gets the nod.

Not able to make this comparison since McVay only has half head coach responsibilities.

Originally posted by smithgdwg:
John Lynch and the rest of the 49ers are really good at "trying".

I think they are really good at trying with minimal effort, and then proclaiming to the world that they gave it their best shot. I dont believe trying their hardest is something they are really good at.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:
John Lynch and the rest of the 49ers are really good at "trying".

I think they are really good at trying with minimal effort, and then proclaiming to the world that they gave it their best shot. I dont believe trying their hardest is something they are really good at.

I would be a lot more comfortable with "them" if there was someone really experienced to help gauge what is "really trying" and what is REALLY trying...if you get the difference.

For now, I like Shanahan but question how many legit options he had available for assistant coaches. Remembering how late in the hiring cycle it was, he gets some slack for last year. Not quite so much this year.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:
John Lynch and the rest of the 49ers are really good at "trying".

I think they are really good at trying with minimal effort, and then proclaiming to the world that they gave it their best shot. I dont believe trying their hardest is something they are really good at.

I would be a lot more comfortable with "them" if there was someone really experienced to help gauge what is "really trying" and what is REALLY trying...if you get the difference.

For now, I like Shanahan but question how many legit options he had available for assistant coaches. Remembering how late in the hiring cycle it was, he gets some slack for last year. Not quite so much this year.

I was fine with the Saleh hiring the first year as Kyle didn't have many choices. Keeping him this year was a head scratcher. Keeping him after this year would be insanity.