Joe Woods as Passing Game Coordinator (Browns DC)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jobiwon:
I prefer Woods stays because of the coverage schemes he brought. We weren't always in cover 3. We mixed it up and looked to hide coverages or deploy more sophisticated coverages. I'm worried we will lose that in our D especially when Saleh goes. I think Richard is a good DB coach, aggressive and develops players. How was he in Dallas with coverages? Was it just cover 3 with the CB's pressing most of the time? I don't want to go back to just the Seattle D style.

I heard a recent Sherman interview where Sherman specifically said that Woods is all about technique, and it's not the first time I've heard a 49er reference Woods with technique. As if Woods was not as involved in scheme, mainly technique and fundamentals. It's a surprise to me if true because of Woods' background and how he has been involved with coaches based out of Cover 2 (Leslie Frazier). I would have thought Woods brought details and teachings of things not Cover3.
I'm going to try and find that interview because the question by the reporter was specifically asking about what Woods has contributed to the coverages.

I think the lack of blown coverages and better communication seemed to be paramount this year. It sounds like Woods was integral in that. I wonder if he helped get personnel in the right positions too...like T.Moore and Reed, Ward, and Moseley. Correct players in the right place, technique, communication and helped game plan in C2 and C4 and help Saleh learn when to call those.

The blown coverages are now a thing of the past. Last year was a circus. I gotta think Woods has a hand in that. Also having Ward and Tartt back there helps. Last year was a revolving door at the safety spots.

Originally posted by jobiwon:
I prefer Woods stays because of the coverage schemes he brought. We weren't always in cover 3. We mixed it up and looked to hide coverages or deploy more sophisticated coverages. I'm worried we will lose that in our D especially when Saleh goes. I think Richard is a good DB coach, aggressive and develops players. How was he in Dallas with coverages? Was it just cover 3 with the CB's pressing most of the time? I don't want to go back to just the Seattle D style.

Cowboys 2018 coverages (couldn't find 2019 info)

Cover 3 - 43% of snaps
Cover 1 - 31%
Cover 2 - 21%
Everything else - 5%

It sounds like Saleh decided to change how our DL played this year and then worked the adjustments back through the rest of defense after that. I do think there was also an intentional shift to two deep safeties because it allows you to do more to disguise coverages as well. Point being the changes in our coverages were part of a series of changes that were all dependent on each other, so I don't think simply bringing in Richard would mean a shift back to a Pete Carroll Defense.

Richard does seem to be more of a Carroll guy, but so was Saleh until this year. Who better than a guy like Saleh to integrate him into what we do?

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by jobiwon:

I prefer Woods stays because of the coverage schemes he brought. We weren't always in cover 3. We mixed it up and looked to hide coverages or deploy more sophisticated coverages. I'm worried we will lose that in our D especially when Saleh goes. I think Richard is a good DB coach, aggressive and develops players. How was he in Dallas with coverages? Was it just cover 3 with the CB's pressing most of the time? I don't want to go back to just the Seattle D style.

Cowboys 2018 coverages (couldn't find 2019 info)

Cover 3 - 43% of snaps
Cover 1 - 31%
Cover 2 - 21%
Everything else - 5%

It sounds like Saleh decided to change how our DL played this year and then worked the adjustments back through the rest of defense after that. I do think there was also an intentional shift to two deep safeties because it allows you to do more to disguise coverages as well. Point being the changes in our coverages were part of a series of changes that were all dependent on each other, so I don't think simply bringing in Richard would mean a shift back to a Pete Carroll Defense.

Richard does seem to be more of a Carroll guy, but so was Saleh until this year. Who better than a guy like Saleh to integrate him into what we do?

To add, Richard was not the DC in Dallas but he was the play caller. It was still Marinelli's D but I would bet a lot of the Cover 3 stuff was Richard influenced.

I think it was mentioned but Steve Wilks could also be a candidate. He is not from a Cover3 scheme but is from a zone scheme. If the aim is to hire a coach with a different background than Cover3, Wilks could be that guy.

Originally posted by evil:
To add, Richard was not the DC in Dallas but he was the play caller. It was still Marinelli's D but I would bet a lot of the Cover 3 stuff was Richard influenced.

Good point. I remember Marinelli being more of a cover 2 zone guy in Chicago and I know he has Kiffin / Tampa Bay roots.

Originally posted by thl408:

I think it was mentioned but Steve Wilks could also be a candidate. He is not from a Cover3 scheme but is from a zone scheme. If the aim is to hire a coach with a different background than Cover3, Wilks could be that guy.

Yep. Wilks would bring a lot of experience too. He's a Ron Rivera guy who has run primarily zone coverage schemes. I'd be perfectly content with him.as well.

Originally posted by jobiwon:
I prefer Woods stays because of the coverage schemes he brought. We weren't always in cover 3. We mixed it up and looked to hide coverages or deploy more sophisticated coverages. I'm worried we will lose that in our D especially when Saleh goes. I think Richard is a good DB coach, aggressive and develops players. How was he in Dallas with coverages? Was it just cover 3 with the CB's pressing most of the time? I don't want to go back to just the Seattle D style.

Same. At different points during the season Saleh credited Woods and Kocurek. Woods in particular for implementing some 'wrinkles'. It sure looks from the outside like he's had a hand in this turnaround.

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by jobiwon:
I prefer Woods stays because of the coverage schemes he brought. We weren't always in cover 3. We mixed it up and looked to hide coverages or deploy more sophisticated coverages. I'm worried we will lose that in our D especially when Saleh goes. I think Richard is a good DB coach, aggressive and develops players. How was he in Dallas with coverages? Was it just cover 3 with the CB's pressing most of the time? I don't want to go back to just the Seattle D style.

Cowboys 2018 coverages (couldn't find 2019 info)

Cover 3 - 43% of snaps
Cover 1 - 31%
Cover 2 - 21%
Everything else - 5%

It sounds like Saleh decided to change how our DL played this year and then worked the adjustments back through the rest of defense after that. I do think there was also an intentional shift to two deep safeties because it allows you to do more to disguise coverages as well. Point being the changes in our coverages were part of a series of changes that were all dependent on each other, so I don't think simply bringing in Richard would mean a shift back to a Pete Carroll Defense.

Richard does seem to be more of a Carroll guy, but so was Saleh until this year. Who better than a guy like Saleh to integrate him into what we do?

Didn't the Cowboys played a lot of one side man and one side zone? Do they do that under cover 3?

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Didn't the Cowboys played a lot of one side man and one side zone? Do they do that under cover 3?

Niners already do that, especially vs certain formations.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

I think it was mentioned but Steve Wilks could also be a candidate. He is not from a Cover3 scheme but is from a zone scheme. If the aim is to hire a coach with a different background than Cover3, Wilks could be that guy.

Yep. Wilks would bring a lot of experience too. He's a Ron Rivera guy who has run primarily zone coverage schemes. I'd be perfectly content with him.as well.

You can't go wrong with either him or Richard. Both have a lot of respect in league circles for their secondary teaching abilities.

I think the only reason woods is taking the job is that he knows he has a good chance he will be promoted to Head Coach cause the browns are trash.

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Originally posted by Waterbear:

I think the only reason woods is taking the job is that he knows he has a good chance he will be promoted to Head Coach cause the browns are trash.

Its wierd how the Browns have so many good coaches run through thier organization and have gone on to greater success in other teams.

I just dont like the lack of continuity on the defensive side if we lose Woods. I think he was a big reason we got some good undrafted free agent DBs this year. I hate to lose that.

But I'd rather lose Woods than Saleh at this point. Saleh would be a bigger loss.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

I think it was mentioned but Steve Wilks could also be a candidate. He is not from a Cover3 scheme but is from a zone scheme. If the aim is to hire a coach with a different background than Cover3, Wilks could be that guy.

Yep. Wilks would bring a lot of experience too. He's a Ron Rivera guy who has run primarily zone coverage schemes. I'd be perfectly content with him.as well.

You can't go wrong with either him or Richard. Both have a lot of respect in league circles for their secondary teaching abilities.

If woods is the only coach we lose after winning a super bowl, I'm happy. I think some of the playoff loser teams lost either a DC or OC or maybe even both. Not a good situation to be in if you want to make the playoffs next year and you lose a big time OC or DC from the git go.

Originally posted by Giedi:

If woods is the only coach we lose after winning a super bowl, I'm happy. I think some of the playoff loser teams lost either a DC or OC or maybe even both. Not a good situation to be in if you want to make the playoffs next year and you lose a big time OC or DC from the git go.

I think the only team with a opening is the Titans DC and they've hinted it will be an internal promotion or someone who runs the exact same system that's in place.