Wes Welker WR Coach

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Kyle seems to like young, upcoming coaches that takes the grind to be a better coach.

Wes Welker is the next head coach of an NFL team in probably 5+ years. I *hope* Kyle has so much success that half the NFL will be populated by coaches from his coaching tree. That happened once to one of our coaches a decade and a half ago,

Who was that?

Here you go, had to go hunt the article down before I responded. Sorry I got the timeline wrong. It was in mid to late 2000's.

Today, 14 of the NFL's 32 head coaches are either direct descendants or second- and-third generation disciples of the Walsh coaching empire.
Certainly you can argue that the many branches extending from the legends and lessons of Paul Brown, George Halas, Sid Gillman, Tom Landry and Al Davis exerted considerable influence of their own.
But Walsh, who began under Gillman and Davis with the Raiders in 1966, might have the grandest legacy of them all.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bill-Walsh-planted-the-ultimate-coaching-tree-2549658.php

Thanks, Giedi. Good work as usual.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Giedi:
P.S. Bill Bellicheat's assistants haven't done as well as Bill Walsh's assistants for some reason. I think one reason is that Bellicheat isn't a very good Head Coach teacher, in my opinion.

"Walsh was so upset he was passed over as Bengals head coach by Paul Brown (in 1976) that he promised himself that if he ever did get a head coaching job, he would make it a point to help develop other coaches. He started what I think is the most productive coaching tree in pro sports history, not just in the NFL."
Consider that such Walsh disciples as George Seifert, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren and Pederson have won Super Bowls.
"He knew how to train coaches and he concentrated on it and it meant a lot to him to see them become successful coaches," Glauber says.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bill-Walsh-planted-the-ultimate-coaching-tree-2549658.php

I read some where that BB put so much work on his assistants, that they don't have time for anything else beyond the scope of their coaching position. Seems to make sense as to part of the reason they aren't successful compared to Walsh's guys.

It could be that, or it could be that Bellichick is so into his Patriots he doesn't have time, or doesn't want to put in time to promote his HC's to other NFL teams and other college programs. Walsh was a tireless promoter of his coaches, specially his minority coaches.

More impressive than Walsh's immediate offspring, however, may be his successors' successors: Andy Reid, Jon Gruden, Jeff Fisher, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, John Harbaugh, Tony Dungy and Brian Billick among many others. Some of these coaches used or still use the West Coast offense in their coaching schemes, while others have continued to build on his pass-first philosophy.

Walsh was also an early advocate of diversity among the NFL coaching ranks. His former assistants, Dennis Green and Ray Rhodes, became two of the first African-American coaches in the NFL. The NFL's current minority coaching program is named after Walsh.
http://graphics.wsj.com/nfl-coaches/

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Giedi:
P.S. Bill Bellicheat's assistants haven't done as well as Bill Walsh's assistants for some reason. I think one reason is that Bellicheat isn't a very good Head Coach teacher, in my opinion.

"Walsh was so upset he was passed over as Bengals head coach by Paul Brown (in 1976) that he promised himself that if he ever did get a head coaching job, he would make it a point to help develop other coaches. He started what I think is the most productive coaching tree in pro sports history, not just in the NFL."
Consider that such Walsh disciples as George Seifert, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren and Pederson have won Super Bowls.
"He knew how to train coaches and he concentrated on it and it meant a lot to him to see them become successful coaches," Glauber says.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bill-Walsh-planted-the-ultimate-coaching-tree-2549658.php

I read some where that BB put so much work on his assistants, that they don't have time for anything else beyond the scope of their coaching position. Seems to make sense as to part of the reason they aren't successful compared to Walsh's guys.

Whatever the reason, BB is only good at being an HC, maybe GM too. Even leveraging 90% of what Walsh knew and adding his own greatness, BB really couldn't transfer his knowledge to others. It doesn't seem like O'Brien, Patricia, Vrabel, or the new guy in Miami will be able to duplicate Holmgren's success, let alone Mike Shanahan.

Would be sweet for us to win an SB AND get another notch in Walsh's tree.......Kyle worked for his father already.

McVay is technically under the Walsh tree too....two years under Mike in DC. Already closer to the finish line than all of the BB disciples.

I enjoy the fact that Mike Shanahan is the only coach to have a winning record versus BB. I respect BB and Brady, but peeps forget the powerhouse known as the SF 49ers.

Another good thing to come with this:

When BB inevitably retires, Brady or whomever his replacement is......the Patriots will not be the same. It's likely they will go out together.....

I think it goes largely unnoticed that Walsh/Montana transferred nice and neatly to Seifert/Young, and while it should have yielded at least 1 or maybe 2 more Super Bowls, it's still likely head and shoulders above what the Patriots are facing.

In recent years, I've come to appreciate Seifert way more than I ever used to. To call him a placeholder is an insult.......he was very integral to those '80s teams defenses, and we've come to learn how much Carroll learned from Seifert's ideas........so the man was ahead of his time.

Then Mariucci, while not quite on the same level was pretty good. You might even say he did very well considering the talent drain by the later '90s.

BB and Brady (starting) have been together about as long as Montana/Young combined ('80-'98, '01-'18).......most think it's more impressive to have two figureheads together for so long, but at the same time the rule changes have allowed young Bradith to be free from hits at 41 in a way our guys would have killed for at 31. To have multiple QBs and head coaches on one team do what they did, then you add the tree.......it's more impressive IMHO.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Thanks,Heidi. Good work as usual.

Dang autocorrect. Sorry about that, Geidi.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Thanks,Heidi. Good work as usual.

Dang autocorrect. Sorry about that, Geidi.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Kyle seems to like young, upcoming coaches that takes the grind to be a better coach.

Wes Welker is the next head coach of an NFL team in probably 5+ years. I *hope* Kyle has so much success that half the NFL will be populated by coaches from his coaching tree. That happened once to one of our coaches a decade and a half ago,

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

"You can dress like an idiot everyday."

Shanahan building his coaching tree!

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Haha totally busting KB's balls.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

"You can dress like an idiot everyday."

This gets me so hyped!

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Another good thing to come with this:

When BB inevitably retires, Brady or whomever his replacement is......the Patriots will not be the same. It's likely they will go out together.....

I think it goes largely unnoticed that Walsh/Montana transferred nice and neatly to Seifert/Young, and while it should have yielded at least 1 or maybe 2 more Super Bowls, it's still likely head and shoulders above what the Patriots are facing.

In recent years, I've come to appreciate Seifert way more than I ever used to. To call him a placeholder is an insult.......he was very integral to those '80s teams defenses, and we've come to learn how much Carroll learned from Seifert's ideas........so the man was ahead of his time.

Then Mariucci, while not quite on the same level was pretty good. You might even say he did very well considering the talent drain by the later '90s.

BB and Brady (starting) have been together about as long as Montana/Young combined ('80-'98, '01-'18).......most think it's more impressive to have two figureheads together for so long, but at the same time the rule changes have allowed young Bradith to be free from hits at 41 in a way our guys would have killed for at 31. To have multiple QBs and head coaches on one team do what they did, then you add the tree.......it's more impressive IMHO.

Well also take into account the NFL has done all they can to preserve the BB/Brady successes (besides maybe deflate gate) where the NFL made drastic league changing rules to try to stop the 49ers.

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Haha totally busting KB's balls.

Gotta love the chemistry of a situation where something like that can be said without someone getting their feelers hurt.