The number of Super Bowls Tom Brady will win in his career?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
This stopped being a debate after number 5. People still think hes not the GOAT? I get being a homer, but this is taking it to another level

Is he the best football player to ever play? I think that's a better debate. Best qb should not even be debated but is there any player that would be worth trading prime brady for prime xxxxx other player?

ALL I have to say is that he is the BEST QB in his era.. PERIOD !!

but I don't think he can be as good as had he been playing in the 80s and 90s while JOE will be even GREATER at this era..

The thing that makes me doubt that is Brady has always done whatever is necessary to win. For example, signing contracts that are way below market value. So, I think Brady would adjust.

Teams were better back in the old days. They also had it easier since they had more talent than the rest of the league minus a few teams. Free agency evens things out. Tom would likely have 15 SB's if there was no cap restricting Bill. We came in right after the Pittsburgh dynasty then Dallas ran off 3. Joe winning by 45 just shows how superior his teams were. Dallas beat Buffalo by 40 too so I guess Aikman is the #2 QB. It was easier to be a dynasty back then.

Nowadays the talent is even and it's Tom appearing in 10 Super Bowls with 7 wins while no other squad has even appeared in more than 3 in those 20 years or having more than 2 SB's. I get that Tom has longevity and it's really unfair to compare older qb's there so at least in that regard you can still look at Joe.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 9moon:
ALL I have to say is that he is the BEST QB in his era.. PERIOD !!

but I don't think he can be as good as had he been playing in the 80s and 90s while JOE will be even GREATER at this era..

He's been to 10 and won 7 joe won 4 with a juggernaut of a team that was helped by having no salary cap. Its not really close anymore even at 5 it was debatable 6 and 7 sealed it.

Being the best quarterback ever doesn't involve losing 3 Super Bowls like Tom Brady did. It also doesn't involve being a game manager for multiple SBs and letting your kicker win it instead of beating down teams like Joe Montana did. Brady also was embarrassing against the rams. No tds and 13 whole points.
Also Joe Montana did not have much talent around him the first two Super Bowls on offense yet everybody makes the hilarious assumption that he had some juggernaut of an offense. Tom Brady had three pro bowl receivers in this Super Bowl and his defense won it for him in at least 3 SBs now. Not to mention the tuck rule.....that was a SB that should of been the raiders advancing. It's hilarious how people try to argue about the non salary cap when the teams in the 80s were so much better. They were dynasties. Brady can't even beat Eli Manning at the Giants with Randy moss and Wes Welker yet Joe Montana can lay 55 points on the number one defense and beat John Elway Dan Marino Like it's nothing.

Not to mention the rules favor the quarterback so much in this age. Joe Montana would never lose to Nick Foles or Eli Manning and he would sure as hell score a lot more points on those teams then Tom Brady did..

anyways this is common sense but people like to argue without that. Now if they just said Tom Brady is the best quarterback and the goat at staying healthy and playing 20 years that's one thing but Montana won 4 Super Bowls in less time than Tom Brady did. This is just a matter of staying healthy for longer. So good for Brady. He is still my second favorite quarterback ever and I love his attitude. But the greatest quarterback of all time does not lose three Super Bowls. I guess I just have higher standards no big deal.

It's possible Joe Montana would have done the same things had he played in this era.

But that's all hypothetical, and the hypothetical is the last place anyone can even make the claim with a straight face.

I remember the exact play I thought, "Damn, this Brady kid might not be just hype."

It was the first Super Bowl against the Rams. I was a youngster back then, back when we had to watch the 49ers get stomped by the GSOT uphill both ways.

It was the Patriots first possession. They were backed up on their goal line in the Super Bowl, and on their very first play they motioned to an empty set. I was thinking "You don't do this to a young QB, are these guys nuts?" And Brady throws a strike on a slant as if he had all the emotional pressure of a 7 on 7 drill. Pressure? What pressure.

So yeah, that was when I started paying attention.

Originally posted by jcs:
He's got a shot at Doubling Montanas 4 next season. Doubling.

Remember, Brady can't be the GOAT, because he "lost in the Super Bowl".

Meanwhile, Joe Montana can be the GOAT, despite a stretch from 1985-1987 in the playoffs when:
- he threw 0 TD and 4 INT
- he went one-and-done three straight years
- he was literally benched in a playoff game

Denying Brady is the GOAT at this point is basically like denying evolution and citing Bible passages as counterevidence.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by jcs:
He's got a shot at Doubling Montanas 4 next season. Doubling.

Remember, Brady can't be the GOAT, because he "lost in the Super Bowl".

Meanwhile, Joe Montana can be the GOAT, despite a stretch from 1985-1987 in the playoffs when:
- he threw 0 TD and 4 INT
- he went one-and-done three straight years
- he was literally benched in a playoff game

Denying Brady is the GOAT at this point is basically like denying evolution and citing Bible passages as counterevidence.

You could still make the argument that Montana COULD have been the GOAT if he played in this era, but it's nothing but speculation. Brady has punched his ticket to GOATdum. It's signed, sealed and delivered at this point.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by jcs:
He's got a shot at Doubling Montanas 4 next season. Doubling.

Remember, Brady can't be the GOAT, because he "lost in the Super Bowl".

Meanwhile, Joe Montana can be the GOAT, despite a stretch from 1985-1987 in the playoffs when:
- he threw 0 TD and 4 INT
- he went one-and-done three straight years
- he was literally benched in a playoff game

Denying Brady is the GOAT at this point is basically like denying evolution and citing Bible passages as counterevidence.

Oh the losing a bowl argument is so like 2 years ago. Now it's Brady is playing in a easier era cause players don't hit as hard. Completely ignoring that back when Montana played it was easier to have a dynasty. My favorite argument though is when people wanna break up the eras cause that's the only way to still have Joe in the conversation.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by jcs:
He's got a shot at Doubling Montanas 4 next season. Doubling.

Remember, Brady can't be the GOAT, because he "lost in the Super Bowl".

Meanwhile, Joe Montana can be the GOAT, despite a stretch from 1985-1987 in the playoffs when:
- he threw 0 TD and 4 INT
- he went one-and-done three straight years
- he was literally benched in a playoff game

Denying Brady is the GOAT at this point is basically like denying evolution and citing Bible passages as counterevidence.

Oh the losing a bowl argument is so like 2 years ago. Now it's Brady is playing in a easier era cause players don't hit as hard. Completely ignoring that back when Montana played iwas easier to have a dynasty. My favorite argument though is when people wanna break up the eras cause that's the only way to still have Joe in the conversation.

Deniers are embarrassing themselves. Montana will always be among the goats, second in fact, but Brady is the goat. First among equals. Has been a pleasure to see these two guys play.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by jcs:
He's got a shot at Doubling Montanas 4 next season. Doubling.

Remember, Brady can't be the GOAT, because he "lost in the Super Bowl".

Meanwhile, Joe Montana can be the GOAT, despite a stretch from 1985-1987 in the playoffs when:
- he threw 0 TD and 4 INT
- he went one-and-done three straight years
- he was literally benched in a playoff game

Denying Brady is the GOAT at this point is basically like denying evolution and citing Bible passages as counterevidence.

Oh the losing a bowl argument is so like 2 years ago. Now it's Brady is playing in a easier era cause players don't hit as hard. Completely ignoring that back when Montana played iwas easier to have a dynasty. My favorite argument though is when people wanna break up the eras cause that's the only way to still have Joe in the conversation.

Deniers are embarrassing themselves. Montana will always be among the goats, second in fact, but Brady is the goat. First among equals. Has been a pleasure to see these two guys play.

This is how I imagine people when they still say Montana's the greatest

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Teams were better back in the old days. They also had it easier since they had more talent than the rest of the league minus a few teams. Free agency evens things out. Tom would likely have 15 SB's if there was no cap restricting Bill. We came in right after the Pittsburgh dynasty then Dallas ran off 3. Joe winning by 45 just shows how superior his teams were. Dallas beat Buffalo by 40 too so I guess Aikman is the #2 QB. It was easier to be a dynasty back then.

Nowadays the talent is even and it's Tom appearing in 10 Super Bowls with 7 wins while no other squad has even appeared in more than 3 in those 20 years or having more than 2 SB's. I get that Tom has longevity and it's really unfair to compare older qb's there so at least in that regard you can still look at Joe.

You are right that the talent is more evenly distributed but there are also no really great teams. Yes there were some really bad teams in the 80s but Brady has never had to get by a team like the Giants or the Bears in the late 80s. Even Washington and GB in those days had teams that would be able to dominate in today's game. A lot of that was just having more depth. Look at yesterday's game. The Chiefs lose 2 O linemen and they line fell apart. Those teams in the 80s had enough depth to survive injuries like that. Look at all the HOF players the Steelers, Niners, Giants, Cowboys, Raiders and Packers produced during those years. Meanwhile Brady is waltzing to the SB playing in the weakest division in football for 20 seasons. If he played for the Niners in the 80s the results would have been similar to what Montana produced but he may have been injured too. He isn't nearly as mobile as Joe was in his early years. He also would have been facing Belichick in the playoffs instead of playing for him.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 9moon:
ALL I have to say is that he is the BEST QB in his era.. PERIOD !!

but I don't think he can be as good as had he been playing in the 80s and 90s while JOE will be even GREATER at this era..

He's been to 10 and won 7 joe won 4 with a juggernaut of a team that was helped by having no salary cap. Its not really close anymore even at 5 it was debatable 6 and 7 sealed it.

Being the best quarterback ever doesn't involve losing 3 Super Bowls like Tom Brady did. It also doesn't involve being a game manager for multiple SBs and letting your kicker win it instead of beating down teams like Joe Montana did. Brady also was embarrassing against the rams. No tds and 13 whole points.
Also Joe Montana did not have much talent around him the first two Super Bowls on offense yet everybody makes the hilarious assumption that he had some juggernaut of an offense. Tom Brady had three pro bowl receivers in this Super Bowl and his defense won it for him in at least 3 SBs now. Not to mention the tuck rule.....that was a SB that should of been the raiders advancing. It's hilarious how people try to argue about the non salary cap when the teams in the 80s were so much better. They were dynasties. Brady can't even beat Eli Manning at the Giants with Randy moss and Wes Welker yet Joe Montana can lay 55 points on the number one defense and beat John Elway Dan Marino Like it's nothing.

Not to mention the rules favor the quarterback so much in this age. Joe Montana would never lose to Nick Foles or Eli Manning and he would sure as hell score a lot more points on those teams then Tom Brady did..

anyways this is common sense but people like to argue without that. Now if they just said Tom Brady is the best quarterback and the goat at staying healthy and playing 20 years that's one thing but Montana won 4 Super Bowls in less time than Tom Brady did. This is just a matter of staying healthy for longer. So good for Brady. He is still my second favorite quarterback ever and I love his attitude. But the greatest quarterback of all time does not lose three Super Bowls. I guess I just have higher standards no big deal.

He's got a shot at Doubling Montanas 4 next season. Doubling.

Lol dont bother. For some reason longevity is a bad thing

Outside of a handful of niner fans, nobody thinks that Brady isnt the GOAT. This shouldn't be a debate at all. Especially after he did it on a new team, in his first year. If people dont understand how hard that is, then they really dont understand football.

When you play in 10 superbowls, there is also a greater chance of there being some losses. I hate to admit but winning 7 out of 10 is amazing :(

Yes, different era's, it's a TEAM sport, multiple "gates", being in the weakest division forever, etc, all good arguments, but he's proven it.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
This is how I imagine people when they still say Montana's the greatest

Lol pretty much.

Its the same handful of people. Even most niner fans understand this by now. It sucks, but thats how sports work. Nobody stays the GOAT forever

Originally posted by JimA49ers:
When you play in 10 superbowls, there is also a greater chance of there being some losses. I hate to admit but winning 7 out of 10 is amazing :(

Yes, different era's, it's a TEAM sport, multiple "gates", being in the weakest division forever, etc, all good arguments, but he's proven it.

100%

Excuses are done. Tom is the GOAT. I wish Montana had a longer career but we cant deny this anymore. Much respect to Brady.