Brother Harbaugh is just as ignorant as Jim

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

How many designed runs does carroll call for wilson a game? zero. How many read options? zero. Any more carries than 4-5 per game and the qb will not have a career longer than 3 years.

RW has averaged at least 6 attempts per game in 5 out of his 7 full seasons. He's a running (especially scrambling) QB. He wouldn't be what he is without his legs. He won the SB as a running QB. He's started to make the transition last couple years, but he still uses his legs in big moments.

Anytime the Seahawks have needed a big drive in the last 7 years, they pull the RO out. You know Russ is taking off at some point in those big drives, we saw it just last week. He must be incredible at picking his spots or teams just don't get it, because he's always taking off for 10+ yard chunks when the Hawks need a big drive.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

as years went by, I think a few of us were pointing it out that although Roman was driving us crazy...it was actually Jim behind everything. Behind, trying to run out the clock as soon as we went up 10+ points in the second half....not pushing the ball down field.

That number grew as time went on. Jim Bo Harbaugh was maddeningly conservative at a time the league was flying away from that "3 yards and a cloud of dust" style.

The reason it worked was that it was a gadget offense in a passing era. Once the tape started rolling in, the power run overloads became completely ineffective. We had to commit suicide by relying on kaps pocket passing abilities. barf lol.

Don't forget that we led the league in stuffed runs for the last 2 harbs years, I believe.

Poor Frank.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
RW has averaged at least 6 attempts per game in 5 out of his 7 full seasons. He's a running (especially scrambling) QB. He wouldn't be what he is without his legs. He won the SB as a running QB. He's started to make the transition last couple years, but he still uses his legs in big moments.

Anytime the Seahawks have needed a big drive in the last 7 years, they pull the RO out. You know Russ is taking off at some point in those big drives, we saw it just last week. He must be incredible at picking his spots or teams just don't get it, because he's always taking off for 10+ yard chunks when the Hawks need a big drive.

Maybe 6 attempts, but that doesn't mean they were designed plays. I think its wilson running for his life, or picking his spots. Not sure how he has survived.

The "designed play" thing is complete hogwash. Again, it's an avoidance of a subject that has clearly trended in a certain direction from the Cunningham and Young days,...like it, or not.

Whether 7 rush attempts were given as options (because if the coach says dont, they wont) or fully improvised,...doesnt change how hard a guy hits you or your smarts when it comes to sliding or getting out of bounds (this is what matters, not whether something was designed or not).

Running beyond the line of scrimmage for yards is....running beyond the line of scrimmage for yards. The hits don't "hurt less" or anything like that from 1 to the other.

The concept is really simple, and it's not about the amount of runs, it's about the legit threat of it.

The need for an extra spy on the QB can take away a player or 2 from your back 7 in coverage, which opens up more opportunities to pass the ball in crucial moments. It's an extra swiss army knife that a stationary QB just doesn't have. We've seem it over and over, and there's nothing gimmicky about it, as it's simply a numbers game.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Maybe 6 attempts, but that doesn't mean they were designed plays. I think its wilson running for his life, or picking his spots. Not sure how he has survived.

Well contrary to popular belief, we never ran a Lamar Jackson type offense for Kap (during the reg season) and I know where you'd label him. Even in 2012 Kap only averaged 4.8 attempts a game, and that includes the Bills and Jets games where he literally just came in to run. So the notion that Kap was just running around when he first took over is just another lie.

RW has gone over 100 rushing attempts twice. Kap did that once in 2014 and we could use the same excuse you did for Russ, as the Martin Bros had him running for his life that year.

Point is Russ is a running QB. He ran more than Kap did during the reg season.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

The reason it worked was that it was a gadget offense in a passing era. Once the tape started rolling in, the power run overloads became completely ineffective. We had to commit suicide by relying on kaps pocket passing abilities. barf lol.

Don't forget that we led the league in stuffed runs for the last 2 harbs years, I believe.

Poor Frank.

I think Frank was bottled up by Seattle for like 14 yards on 11 carries.

Also, your post was perfect at summarizing Harbaugh and the 2011-2013 Niners.

Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
The reason it worked was that it was a gadget offense in a passing era. Once the tape started rolling in, the power run overloads became completely ineffective. We had to commit suicide by relying on kaps pocket passing abilities. barf lol.

Don't forget that we led the league in stuffed runs for the last 2 harbs years, I believe.

Poor Frank.

I think Frank was bottled up by Seattle for like 14 yards on 11 carries.

Also, your post was perfect at summarizing Harbaugh and the 2011-2013 Niners.

um, as much as Harbs conservative ass annoyed me.... the offense did help get us wins in the playoffs.....in Atlanta, almost the SuperBowl... got us wins on the road again in Green Bay in horrible weather, then in Carolina...and almost in Seattle. So wouldn't consider those offenses as " ".

and yes, that also came with Kap's pocket passing abilities. Unless yall are 9er *fans* who believe we ran nothing but the read option those years.

Harbaugh had the formula. We just didn't win the SB. 7 years later Harbs plan is starting to get HOT again!

Originally posted by random49er:
lol,...you dont consider guys like Russell Wilson or Steve Young running QBs because THEY WON A SB. That's pretty much it. You want to block the concept of this whole running concept out of your head. Someone like Vick needed to run in order to throw,...where as guys like them (and Deshaun Watson) DONT,...and therein lies the conundrum you find yourself in when you want to lump all "running QBs" you so choose to call that altogether. They can use the pass to setup the run if they so wish,...which can be effective against ANY defense.

You can get injured being mobile,...just as you can being immobile. And just to keep these immobile QBs around, the NFL has gone to great lengths to where you can barely breathe on a QB these days without a flag or a fine. They've done all they can to support the same cause you have.

But the reality of the matter is mobile QBs are like self-checkouts. Hate them all you wish,...but there is a clear trend towards them and they are here to stay, especially with less emphasis on every-down backs.

Originally posted by random49er:
The "designed play" thing is complete hogwash. Again, it's an avoidance of a subject that has clearly trended in a certain direction from the Cunningham and Young days,...like it, or not.

Whether 7 rush attempts were given as options (because if the coach says dont, they wont) or fully improvised,...doesnt change how hard a guy hits you or your smarts when it comes to sliding or getting out of bounds (this is what matters, not whether something was designed or not).

Running beyond the line of scrimmage for yards is....running beyond the line of scrimmage for yards. The hits don't "hurt less" or anything like that from 1 to the other.

The concept is really simple, and it's not about the amount of runs, it's about the legit threat of it.

The need for an extra spy on the QB can take away a player or 2 from your back 7 in coverage, which opens up more opportunities to pass the ball in crucial moments. It's an extra swiss army knife that a stationary QB just doesn't have. We've seem it over and over, and there's nothing gimmicky about it, as it's simply a numbers game.

Two outstanding posts.

This thread was a major failure

The Bengals gonna Bengal,....but wow,...what an amazing run today we'll be watching for years. 15-17, 3TDs passing, 1 TD rushing, but it's all gimmicky stuff, that's why NFL defensive coordinators cant shut it down just yet.

First 16 career starts

Wins
Lamar Jackson (13)
Patrick Mahomes (12)

Rush Yds
Lamar Jackson (1,258)
LaDainian Tomlinson (1,236)

Passer Rtg
Lamar Jackson (94.4)
Tom Brady (90.1)

Yds per Att
Lamar Jackson (7.6)
Aaron Rodgers (7.5)

Comp Pct
Lamar Jackson (63%)
Drew Brees (61%)

Originally posted by MagaBosa:

First 16 career starts

Wins
Lamar Jackson (13)
Patrick Mahomes (12)

Rush Yds
Lamar Jackson (1,258)
LaDainian Tomlinson (1,236)

Passer Rtg
Lamar Jackson (94.4)
Tom Brady (90.1)

Yds per Att
Lamar Jackson (7.6)
Aaron Rodgers (7.5)

Comp Pct
Lamar Jackson (63%)
Drew Brees (61%)

Lost to the browns tho

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by MagaBosa:

First 16 career starts

Wins
Lamar Jackson (13)
Patrick Mahomes (12)

Rush Yds
Lamar Jackson (1,258)
LaDainian Tomlinson (1,236)

Passer Rtg
Lamar Jackson (94.4)
Tom Brady (90.1)

Yds per Att
Lamar Jackson (7.6)
Aaron Rodgers (7.5)

Comp Pct
Lamar Jackson (63%)
Drew Brees (61%)

Lost to the browns tho

Beat the Patriots tho

Bengals haven't won a game yet tho.