LS Kyle Nelson (waived)

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You can literally be blind and long snap lol. It's not hard to do. If it were, there wouldn't be multiple people available that we are working out right now to replace Nelson. Is it important, of course, it can change games if the snap isn't good.

So blind QBs too? Dan fouts, montana, young, etc could run the offense blindfolded.
The reason a blind person can do it is it is repetitive. It is muscle memory, but he could not snap on punts.

Most of the NFL guys can hit the bullseye at 15 yards as close to evertime as it gets. Al while having speed on the ball so the rush team can't get there.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

You can literally be blind and long snap lol. It's not hard to do. If it were, there wouldn't be multiple people available that we are working out right now to replace Nelson. Is it important, of course, it can change games if the snap isn't good.

So blind QBs too? Dan fouts, montana, young, etc could run the offense blindfolded.
The reason a blind person can do it is it is repetitive. It is muscle memory, but he could not snap on punts.

Most of the NFL guys can hit the bullseye at 15 yards as close to evertime as it gets. Al while having speed on the ball so the rush team can't get there.

So you don't think, Let's just say the backup Center, can do that if given the reps every week in practice? How many reps do you think Skule got last week in practice? Did he come in and execute better than the actual LS? I'll just agree to disagree that it can't be done with a backup olineman. Call me a rebel cause I'd use the roster spot somewhere else lol

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

That was weird last Sunday - this guy has just been a machine these past years as a reliable LS. Hoping it was just a one-game thing and he gets back to his previous form.

Hopefully... the mental blocks are weird though. Physical stuff is different, you sprain your ankle, it heals and you come back

Thinking about Nick Anderson and free throws, or the short stop that can't throw to first base all of a sudden. Who knows when it will get back to normal. I've never seen it with a long snapper, but I hope it's not a long term thing. If so, he'll be off the team in a few weeks

I don't see why a fringe Offensive Linemen or any positional player for that matter don't take up long snapping just so they can guarantee a spot on the team. Like if you come to training camp and you know at best you are a backup why not start long snapping? I think a team would much rather have a long snapper who can do something else than just a long snapper who does nothing else.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
So you don't think, Let's just say the backup Center, can do that if given the reps every week in practice? How many reps do you think Skule got last week in practice? Did he come in and execute better than the actual LS? I'll just agree to disagree that it can't be done with a backup olineman. Call me a rebel cause I'd use the roster spot somewhere else lol

Did you not hear Kyle say that there is too much risk of injury if you use an O linemen? If the linemen gets injured then you lose the long snapper. If it was that easy to replace them I really doubt that the NFL would use a roster spot for a specialist. One reason it's tougher than a regular snap is it's harder to block with guys crashing the middle trying to block the kick.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NinersFan52:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

I might be alone in this thinking but I always thought that the LS was a waste of a roster spot. Can easily just have a backup lineman be the LS imo. Skule looked fine in that one rep

Do you remember how Gould looked last year with a variety of LS's while Kyle was suspended? Kicking is a HUGE mental game, and the confidence a LS provides that kicker is very much needed..

I mean it would be the same backup OL doing it, not a variety of them lol. I've never seen a LS f**kup that many times in one game. This same question was asked of Shanny in today's presser and he said what you guys are saying. I still agree to disagree, I'd use the roster spot on another position. Long snapping isn't that hard plain and simple.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Did you not hear Kyle say that there is too much risk of injury if you use an O linemen? If the linemen gets injured then you lose the long snapper. If it was that easy to replace them I really doubt that the NFL would use a roster spot for a specialist. One reason it's tougher than a regular snap is it's harder to block with guys crashing the middle trying to block the kick.

Yup, if you went back a page I acknowledged that yesterday. Like I said, call me a rebel for taking the chance of my backup center/olineman getting injured performing the daunting long snapping duties.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NinersFan52:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I might be alone in this thinking but I always thought that the LS was a waste of a roster spot. Can easily just have a backup lineman be the LS imo. Skule looked fine in that one rep

Do you remember how Gould looked last year with a variety of LS's while Kyle was suspended? Kicking is a HUGE mental game, and the confidence a LS provides that kicker is very much needed..

I mean it would be the same backup OL doing it, not a variety of them lol. I've never seen a LS f**kup that many times in one game. This same question was asked of Shanny in today's presser and he said what you guys are saying. I still agree to disagree, I'd use the roster spot on another position. Long snapping isn't that hard plain and simple.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Did you not hear Kyle say that there is too much risk of injury if you use an O linemen? If the linemen gets injured then you lose the long snapper. If it was that easy to replace them I really doubt that the NFL would use a roster spot for a specialist. One reason it's tougher than a regular snap is it's harder to block with guys crashing the middle trying to block the kick.

Yup, if you went back a page I acknowledged that yesterday. Like I said, call me a rebel for taking the chance of my backup center/olineman getting injured performing the daunting long snapping duties.

I thought Kyle meant the other way. a lineman playing in the game can be injured playing OL and then you automatically lose your long snapper in that game as well.

i can't say that i've seen this before with a LS.

Dude could not get his ish together on Sunday. How do you just lose your ability to snap a ball correctly? that's your only job. lol.

But i guess i shouldn't talk bad about it, i don't know how difficult it is to snap a ball.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I thought Kyle meant the other way. a lineman playing in the game can be injured playing OL and then you automatically lose your long snapper in that game as well.

Yes, and think of how likely a broken hand/finger will happen and how it might effect the LS duties.

Now if i were a fringe player i would definitely learn LS. A 6ft 2in, 230lb, 4.4 40 LB/S tweener getting down there before the gunners.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
So you don't think, Let's just say the backup Center, can do that if given the reps every week in practice? How many reps do you think Skule got last week in practice? Did he come in and execute better than the actual LS? I'll just agree to disagree that it can't be done with a backup olineman. Call me a rebel cause I'd use the roster spot somewhere else lol

No i do not think the backup center can take those reps on. While the long snapper is on the side working with the punter(holder), the OL is going over pictures of the defense. Both in game and practice.

Also your OL will be a HUGE liability on return coverage.

no clue whats wrong with him and i do not care.. i am just glad the team is being very proactive here to fix the issue

Originally posted by libertyforever:

I thought Kyle meant the other way. a lineman playing in the game can be injured playing OL and then you automatically lose your long snapper in that game as well.

Yes that's what he meant, I worded what I said wrong in being sarcastic

He basically has one job on this team and probably was in his own head after the miss. One bad game and you are gone as a LS.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

So you don't think, Let's just say the backup Center, can do that if given the reps every week in practice? How many reps do you think Skule got last week in practice? Did he come in and execute better than the actual LS? I'll just agree to disagree that it can't be done with a backup olineman. Call me a rebel cause I'd use the roster spot somewhere else lol

No i do not think the backup center can take those reps on. While the long snapper is on the side working with the punter(holder), the OL is going over pictures of the defense. Both in game and practice.

Also your OL will be a HUGE liability on return coverage.

So how do you explain Skule coming in, I assume without any reps, and doing it granted it was an xp but my point about reps and not being so hard to do remains? You actually think that 1.5hrs of practicing only long snapping every day of practice is required by a pro athlete to be sufficient at it? Like I said, I agree to disagree. The same way other players like WRs as an example, stay after practice on the jugs machine, I'd have maybe two of my backup olineman get reps during the week that way. One of those backup lineman is on the team BECAUSE of the roster spot being available, difference being he can do more than just long snap. Just a thought. I know NFL teams aren't doing it

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You can literally be blind and long snap lol. It's not hard to do. If it were, there wouldn't be multiple people available that we are working out right now to replace Nelson. Is it important, of course, it can change games if the snap isn't good.

So blind QBs too? Dan fouts, montana, young, etc could run the offense blindfolded.
The reason a blind person can do it is it is repetitive. It is muscle memory, but he could not snap on punts.

Most of the NFL guys can hit the bullseye at 15 yards as close to evertime as it gets. Al while having speed on the ball so the rush team can't get there.

So you don't think, Let's just say the backup Center, can do that if given the reps every week in practice? How many reps do you think Skule got last week in practice? Did he come in and execute better than the actual LS? I'll just agree to disagree that it can't be done with a backup olineman. Call me a rebel cause I'd use the roster spot somewhere else lol

I think the main reason to have a long snapper is so they can practice non-stop with the kicker and punters and get a rapport going. Also, you don't want to pull your linemen from their practices to long snap.