NFL hopes ban on Oklahoma drill trickles down to all levels of football

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Lol at you guys attacking the post

Y'all are a left-winged disaster

Wtf does this have to do with politics? Are you trying to say that conservatives dont believe in CTE lol? What a fail post.

The individual who made the post was explaining that he was going to raise his child to be tough and the "old ways" and other posters are belittling him basically calling him a monster, that's more of a reflection of what our American society has become than million dollar athletes getting CTE ( if they came out with a survey more players would be in favor of playing a more physical game)

Don't worry nobody will get CTE anymore when the NFL becomes sarcasticball then eventually defunct

Well when the OP brags how bad ass his kid is going to be because he smashes his head into objects, then goes on to say that CTE is bs and its bc drugs and alcohol, what kind of response did you think he was gonna get?

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by KamLeon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49erman723:

drugs and alcohol ruined those players not CTE

Lmao. Top 5 dumb wz post of all time.

I'm going to need to see the other 4 to make proper judgement

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Impossible. Pac made up roughly the entire 30k of worst posts ever.

Hes under a different username now. Rhymes with Manpeedon.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Hes under a different username now. Rhymes with Manpeedon.

Bruh The Case has already been cracked.

I never said CTE didn't exist, I just don't use it as an excuse for Aldon/Hernandez/Rice's cases , I blame alcohol, PCP and other Drugs these guys abused. I don't think there behavior is just because of CTE and that's my opinion. I think theirs value in many of your responses and views, but most of you missed the point of my post completely. Your DR kid on the sideline isn't supposed to have a chance against my son and that's because the privileged he comes from wont make him tough enough too. Football to me growing up was a gladiator sport for MEN and now you privileged "THINKERS" are softening the game and removing the toughness needed to play in the name of safety just so you can compete and you guys don't like my honesty get over it

as for my bragging i am a proud Father aren't you?? oh yeah and you dont actually use your head in a tackle you slide it to the side but you know that right :)

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Well when the OP brags how bad ass his kid is going to be because he smashes his head into objects, then goes on to say that CTE is bs and its bc drugs and alcohol, what kind of response did you think he was gonna get?

Originally posted by 49erman723:
I gotta say my son is gonna kill you wussies sons when he gets older lol; we all know that the drill is TOUGH and probably made alot of you webzoners quit football all together, but realize some of us will raise our children in the old ways and in 17 years my father and I will laugh as my son imposes his will as he see's fit on your children on the gridiron . I am all for safety but i will never stand for removing toughness from the game.......oh and you CTE warriors best way to stay healthy dont play .

attatched the article below

"The NFL's decision to tell coaches to stop using the Oklahoma drill in practice isn't just about preventing NFL players from getting hurt. It's also about the safety of the game at all levels. Competition Committee Chairman Rich McKay said the Oklahoma drill — a longtime staple of summer football practice at all levels of the sport — tends to feature the kinds of repeated head-to-head collisions that the league wants to encourage coaches at every level to limit.
"I think for me, what I liked the most about trying to eliminate some of these drills is hopefully the message it sends downstream to youth football, to high school football, to college football," McKay said. "It will be their choice to see what they do with some of these drills. But, I would tell you some of these drills exist in high school football in a big way and I am not sure these drills are necessary."
The Oklahoma drill was once beloved by players and coaches alike, but it's increasingly viewed as a drill whose risks outweigh the rewards — and a drill that will not be part of football at any level for much longer."

I'm all for toughness and being physical but you don't need the oklahoma drill to make kids tough, toughness like everything else comes from how kids are raised at home. We have plenty of tough kids on our team without the need for this drill. But i do agree with you on CTE, don't play if your so worried about it. The game these days is safer than ever but unfortunately injuries are part of the game, it's a part of every sport. Those critizing football should look at the statistical facts which are that cheerleading and soccer participants actually suffer far more injuries and concussions than football.

Originally posted by Geeked:
For those that believe Oklahoma drills (OD's) are useful, you really need to sit down and think about it.

Very few football tackles take place head on and from a static three yards apart. OD's place both players at a level from start where their heads are usually the point of first contact; which causes concussions and reinforces poor tackling.

OD's do NOT teach proper angle and wrapping. What the do teach is going for the big hit as the whole point of the drill is to win firs contact. This is a pointless strategy if you're a 185 lb CB vs a 230 lb ball carrier. A ball carrier at 230 lbs will run straight through a poorly executed angle tackle from a Defensive linemen.

True tackling drills and contact drills need to educate on proper angles, pop and wrap at applicable game scenarios. And now with an emphasis on most important ability on a 46 suit up (availability), you don't want your starting or backup players getting injured in the second or third game due to OD wear and tear.

I've seen HS coaches move away from OD's and towards more traditional ruby type tackling drills. This moves the tackler's head away from the runner's. It places an emphasis on cradling the shoulder on the ball carriers hips and bringing them down from one of the most successful points of contact. On top of this, it teaches defenders to move away from the runners eyes and towards the hips, which reduces the success of jukes.

I know there are those that think this is a load of crap, but, it does work. On top of this, I'd rather see my favorite player on the field for an extra couple of years. I really don't need to see another Steve Young moment where they're motionless on the field.

Best post in the thread so far.

A good discussion could flow from this...but NOT from a political discussion or whose kids are cool or not.

As to football:
With such a limited amount of time with pads under the current CBA, it makes NO SENSE to waste time banging heads in a drill that does almost nothing to improve either tackling or blocking technique. As Geeked said, if teams spent more time working on technique instead of a stupid nutcracker drill, the number of cases of CTE would almost certainly go down.

Originally posted by 49erman723:

I never said CTE didn't exist, I just don't use it as an excuse for Aldon/Hernandez/Rice's cases , I blame alcohol, PCP and other Drugs these guys abused. I don't think there behavior is just because of CTE and that's my opinion. I think theirs value in many of your responses and views, but most of you missed the point of my post completely. Your DR kid on the sideline isn't supposed to have a chance against my son and that's because the privileged he comes from wont make him tough enough too. Football to me growing up was a gladiator sport for MEN and now you privileged "THINKERS" are softening the game and removing the toughness needed to play in the name of safety just so you can compete and you guys don't like my honesty get over it

as for my bragging i am a proud Father aren't you?? oh yeah and you dont actually use your head in a tackle you slide it to the side but you know that right :)

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Well when the OP brags how bad ass his kid is going to be because he smashes his head into objects, then goes on to say that CTE is bs and its bc drugs and alcohol, what kind of response did you think he was gonna get?

No one cares that you don't care if your kid gets concussions and/ or CTE

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
Then don't play football.

Somebody else will gladly take your spot and suffer the consequences.

Not suggesting anyone should or should not play football. The effects of the game are what they are. Hell, you can choose to run across the freeway. You might make it. You might not

I know what you are saying!

My biggest grief with all of this is that the players know the risks and want all the fame/glory but rarely take responsibility for their actions once their career is over. Not all but many do.

Originally posted by 49erman723:
I gotta say my son is gonna kill you wussies sons when he gets older lol; we all know that the drill is TOUGH and probably made alot of you webzoners quit football all together, but realize some of us will raise our children in the old ways and in 17 years my father and I will laugh as my son imposes his will as he see's fit on your children on the gridiron . I am all for safety but i will never stand for removing toughness from the game.......oh and you CTE warriors best way to stay healthy dont play .

Lmao i really hope you're just trolling....

Originally posted by 49erman723:

drugs and alcohol ruined those players not CTE

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, just for sheer entertainment.

My two cents: I would have played football at least one more year in high school, possibly at a small college (I was decent) if things like this drill weren't a thing. I was both a running back and DB. On both ends, it's like signing up for a certain car crash. Actual game plays are not nearly as violent, certainly not as regularly. I got sick of the abuse, because that's literally what it was. No one gets better during that drill, it's just people who get better at pretending that things don't hurt.

Good riddance to this b******t and all the other idiocy like it. Getting rid of stuff like this may be the only way to keep football from going the way of boxing.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

We should just stop playing football, wrestling, lacrosse, and any other sport that can lead to a head injuries. We should also stop boxing, mma, and race car driving. All are much to tough for us and could cause brain injuries or even CTE. Kids shouldn't ride bikes and or walk to school for fear of getting hit by a car.

We should only promote safe sports like tennis and golf, this way everyone gets a turn and everyone gets a trophy.

Baseball may be fine, but we will need to put soft padding around the hard ball as to prevent head injuries.

Then we will ask the public to come out and pay top dollar to watch ordinary people play in the safest sports of all time with no injury risk. Every team will get a Super Bowl trophy each year because we wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Even soccer players are know to get concussions from time to time. Those headers cause them.

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Those critizing football should look at the statistical facts which are that cheerleading and soccer participants actually suffer far more injuries and concussions than football.

Unless by "far more" you mean "less", the "statistical facts" are that ice hockey and football have the highest concussion rates.

Originally posted by Geeked:
For those that believe Oklahoma drills (OD's) are useful, you really need to sit down and think about it.

Very few football tackles take place head on and from a static three yards apart. OD's place both players at a level from start where their heads are usually the point of first contact; which causes concussions and reinforces poor tackling.

OD's do NOT teach proper angle and wrapping. What the do teach is going for the big hit as the whole point of the drill is to win firs contact. This is a pointless strategy if you're a 185 lb CB vs a 230 lb ball carrier. A ball carrier at 230 lbs will run straight through a poorly executed angle tackle from a Defensive linemen.

True tackling drills and contact drills need to educate on proper angles, pop and wrap at applicable game scenarios. And now with an emphasis on most important ability on a 46 suit up (availability), you don't want your starting or backup players getting injured in the second or third game due to OD wear and tear.

I've seen HS coaches move away from OD's and towards more traditional ruby type tackling drills. This moves the tackler's head away from the runner's. It places an emphasis on cradling the shoulder on the ball carriers hips and bringing them down from one of the most successful points of contact. On top of this, it teaches defenders to move away from the runners eyes and towards the hips, which reduces the success of jukes.

I know there are those that think this is a load of crap, but, it does work. On top of this, I'd rather see my favorite player on the field for an extra couple of years. I really don't need to see another Steve Young moment where they're motionless on the field.

The best thought out and articulated argument on the subject. It's always been about proper form and technique even when I played in the 80's and 90's. I love the sport but I'd rather see us adapt better techniques and allow the "toughness" be built in the gym.

Originally posted by kelson49er:

My two cents: I would have played football at least one more year in high school, possibly at a small college (I was decent) if things like this drill weren't a thing. I was both a running back and DB. On both ends, it's like signing up for a certain car crash. Actual game plays are not nearly as violent, certainly not as regularly. I got sick of the abuse, because that's literally what it was. No one gets better during that drill, it's just people who get better at pretending that things don't hurt.

Good riddance to this b******t and all the other idiocy like it. Getting rid of stuff like this may be the only way to keep football from going the way of boxing.

It does matter on how it is coached, but i think the oklahoma drill is the best bang for its buck. Especially at HS levels.

No pulling blocks, cut blocks, chop blocks, or crack back blocks.

The RB and defender get to read the block live. The linemen get to practice gap integrity with nuanced consequences.


But the coaches need to keep the tackling part under control, and if they do, it is great practice for fundamental tackling and angles.