Is McNabb a Hall of Famer?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by T-9ers:

I'm not necessarily on a pro Rivers crusade, but let's take a look at the best qb's of the last 10-15 years or so. Brady,Manning, Breese, Rodgers, Rapelsburger are locks. After that who? Without looking at stats or team success, id say Rivers is the best after those guys and if you consider he's been on inferior squads facing all time great qb's in the AFC and teams, he's pretty close. If being that good of a QB in the highest level of the game for that long of a time can't get you in, standards may be a little too unreasonable and unrealistic. That high of a standards is almost toxic for the game and the same type of standards that put T.O. in a year later than what he should have been.

10-15 years puts a lot of dudes in the conversation ( kurt warner etc)
Russel Wilson is def on track to be the 6th guy of this generation. dudes got something like 200 tds against 60 picks.

We cant argue the possibility of the 7th or 8th guy (Rivers) (in a passing generation) be in HOF, and still take the HOF seriously.

That's the whole problem with the HOF and their let anyone in attitude.

after pulling the stats, McNabb is very much like his generation's version of a less productive Matty Ice. I certainly don't think Matt Ryan is HOF, so for me this kinda ends this debate in my mind.

Matty Ice has an MVP. To me, a season MVP should be weighted a ton. IMO, a season MVP trumps rings as far as individual greatness goes.

(For example, no way in hell do I believe Eli deserves HOF recognition over Matt Ryan.)

Yeah but Tim Tebow has an mvp season should he be in the HOF?

#facts #dontlookitupitstrue

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yeah but Tim Tebow has an mvp season should he be in the HOF?

#facts #dontlookitupitstrue

Hall of Shame. Classic example of why you can't tell how well a college QB will do in the NFL.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Yeah but Tim Tebow has an mvp season should he be in the HOF?

#facts #dontlookitupitstrue

Hall of Shame. Classic example of why you can't tell how well a college QB will do in the NFL.

Nah he won NFL MVP. Trust me.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by T-9ers:
I'm not necessarily on a pro Rivers crusade, but let's take a look at the best qb's of the last 10-15 years or so. Brady,Manning, Breese, Rodgers, Rapelsburger are locks. After that who? Without looking at stats or team success, id say Rivers is the best after those guys and if you consider he's been on inferior squads facing all time great qb's in the AFC and teams, he's pretty close. If being that good of a QB in the highest level of the game for that long of a time can't get you in, standards may be a little too unreasonable and unrealistic. That high of a standards is almost toxic for the game and the same type of standards that put T.O. in a year later than what he should have been.

10-15 years puts a lot of dudes in the conversation ( kurt warner etc)
Russel Wilson is def on track to be the 6th guy of this generation. dudes got something like 200 tds against 60 picks.

We cant argue the possibility of the 7th or 8th guy (Rivers) (in a passing generation) be in HOF, and still take the HOF seriously.

That's the whole problem with the HOF and their let anyone in attitude.

after pulling the stats, McNabb is very much like his generation's version of a less productive Matty Ice. I certainly don't think Matt Ryan is HOF, so for me this kinda ends this debate in my mind.

Matty Ice has an MVP. To me, a season MVP should be weighted a ton. IMO, a season MVP trumps rings as far as individual greatness goes.

(For example, no way in hell do I believe Eli deserves HOF recognition over Matt Ryan.)

Yeah but Tim Tebow has an mvp season should he be in the HOF?

#facts #dontlookitupitstrue

For the record, I am not of the belief that Matt Ryan is a Hall of Famer. I was simply pointing out that having an MVP to me is a really big deal. Still isnt enough to put Matty in the Hall. Just saying that when a player is recognized as THE best player in the league for a season, that should hold more weight to me than someone winning a ring.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by T-9ers:
I'm not necessarily on a pro Rivers crusade, but let's take a look at the best qb's of the last 10-15 years or so. Brady,Manning, Breese, Rodgers, Rapelsburger are locks. After that who? Without looking at stats or team success, id say Rivers is the best after those guys and if you consider he's been on inferior squads facing all time great qb's in the AFC and teams, he's pretty close. If being that good of a QB in the highest level of the game for that long of a time can't get you in, standards may be a little too unreasonable and unrealistic. That high of a standards is almost toxic for the game and the same type of standards that put T.O. in a year later than what he should have been.

10-15 years puts a lot of dudes in the conversation ( kurt warner etc)
Russel Wilson is def on track to be the 6th guy of this generation. dudes got something like 200 tds against 60 picks.

We cant argue the possibility of the 7th or 8th guy (Rivers) (in a passing generation) be in HOF, and still take the HOF seriously.

That's the whole problem with the HOF and their let anyone in attitude.

after pulling the stats, McNabb is very much like his generation's version of a less productive Matty Ice. I certainly don't think Matt Ryan is HOF, so for me this kinda ends this debate in my mind.

Matty Ice has an MVP. To me, a season MVP should be weighted a ton. IMO, a season MVP trumps rings as far as individual greatness goes.

(For example, no way in hell do I believe Eli deserves HOF recognition over Matt Ryan.)

Yeah but Tim Tebow has an mvp season should he be in the HOF?

#facts #dontlookitupitstrue

For the record, I am not of the belief that Matt Ryan is a Hall of Famer. I was simply pointing out that having an MVP to me is a really big deal. Still isnt enough to put Matty in the Hall. Just saying that when a player is recognized as THE best player in the league for a season, that should hold more weight to me than someone winning a ring.

If Ice Ice baby gets the Falcant's to a win against the Pats in the SB is he in the hall?

Originally posted by FL9er:
Hell no, not even the best Eagles QB in my opinion.

lol

Just saw this thread. Hell NO.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:
Rivers is borderline and so is Eli. Neither are top 3 in their generation and playing in this passer friendly Era is not going to help their numbers as it compares to those like Marino. Frank also carried this team to a SB something Rivers hasn't done and what he's accomplishing as a runner is far and away more difficult than what Rivers is doing thus far.

Gore had 1,200 yards rushing in 2012, good for 10th in the league. He's had one season in his career where he was arguably a Top 3 RB in the NFL. He was never a first team All Pro.

Like I said, the arguments against Rivers are pretty much the exact same ones that some people use against Gore. Neither Rivers nor Gore were ever the best at their respective positions. Gore has been a 5 time Pro Bowler. Rivers has been an 8 time Pro Bowler. They've both been really good but outshined by some crazy talent at the same position.

They both consistently performed at a high level and did so for a long time but there will always be detractors that point to their lack of top end accolades.

If Rivers plays another 3-4 seasons, much like Gore, his overall #'s will be tough to ignore.

Difference being that Gores longevity is one of the reasons he is Canton worthy due to his position, where the same can't be said for Rivers. QB's play forever, RB's not so much. Gore was often times compared against Stephen Jackson to gauge his worth. They came into the league a year apart with Jackson in 04 and Gore in 05. Jackson has been retired for 6 years already. 6 years is already a lengthy NFL career for a RB. Frank has been a quality NFL RB for 11 going on 12 seasons. That's crazy long for any RB much less a 3rd round RB with 2 ACL's prior to playing in the NFL.

Has he been inducted into the Hall of Fame? If not, then no, he is not a Hall of Famer.

Hell No!Dude was literally puking in the huddle!

Originally posted by DickNasty:
Hell No!Dude was literally puking in the huddle!

Joe Montana says hello

NOT EVEN CLOSE!!

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
Has he been inducted into the Hall of Fame? If not, then no, he is not a Hall of Famer.

Originally posted by boast:
Donovan McChoke a HOFer? lololol. no.

dude always choked in big games

Terrell Owens coming off a broken leg (shortest recovery ever) to give it his all...wasn't happy about this dude throwing 3 INTs and vomiting all over himself...they lost by 3 points. How sad.

I remember when the pro bowl, all pro team, and the HOF used to mean something.

Today, all of these are just popularity contests. If the media likes you then you're in.

ROGER CRAIG?