Jadeveon Clowney

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Repeating what I said above: Clowney has 29 sacks in 62 career games. Dee Ford has 30.5 sacks in 67 career games.

Not saying Clowney is a bad player but he's not an "All-World" type player that he was drafted to be, was my point. It's overhyped.

Plus duke magically didn't acknowledge that ford wasn't a starter his first year in kc and was injured 10 games bc of a back injury. Ford is a way better pass rusher with arguably the fastest first step coming off a season with 13 sacks AND leading the nfl in turnovers among d lineman. Oh yeah he also led the LEAGUE in pressures. Clowney has never got over 9 sacks!!!!! That is not good any way you look at it. A great run defender.

So easy to destroy his arguments. Delusional posts that are way out of context. I expected nothing less but come on man, we aren't hawks fans, we actually know about players and the nfl

Originally posted by elguapo:
Plus duke magically didn't acknowledge that ford wasn't a starter his first year in kc and was injured 10 games bc of a back injury. Ford is a way better pass rusher with arguably the fastest first step coming off a season with 13 sacks AND leading the nfl in turnovers among d lineman. Oh yeah he also led the LEAGUE in pressures. Clowney has never got over 9 sacks!!!!! That is not good any way you look at it. A great run defender.

So easy to destroy his arguments. Delusional posts that are way out of context. I expected nothing less but come on man, we aren't hawks fans, we actually know about players and the nfl

How come you haven't been kicked out of this place.
Your rude, righteous and wrong most of the time.

Originally posted by cortez96:

How come you haven't been kicked out of this place.
Your rude, righteous and wrong most of the time.

Huh? You mean right not righteous.You incite and insult people who are against your precious Seahawks. Not only should you be banished to Seahawks land but out of here. You expect to come to another teams forum and have the audacity to incite many members. Also your posts have been laughed at especially in Niner talk. It amazing that you haven't been banned permanently and I'm right when it comes to these easy arguments made against you and fellow Seahawks fans bc to be honest, they don't know football for the most part compared to other teams fans. Again, I'm not surprised you don't know this already. Stick to the rules buddy and stop whining. Don't address me again and if you don't like what I say according to the rules just block my posts.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Texans might have moved up to my second most hated team. I hope that franchise folds for the way they treated Clowney when they should've let him walk, now in typical 49ers fashion we have to suffer

Seriously??? Dude, the Texans were very patient with the guy and treated him with kid gloves. They even traded him to the team HE WANTED.

Furthermore, if Clowney is the guy that helps the Seahawks beat the 49ers... then the 49ers have now business wining the game period. Clowney has never shown up for the big ones. The guy may have impressive stats, but those stats rarely came when it mattered. Clowney is that "ace" pitcher that racks up wins on the sub .500's and gets completely wreaked in the playoffs.

Originally posted by Geeked:

Seriously??? Dude, the Texans were very patient with the guy and treated him with kid gloves. They even traded him to the team HE WANTED.

Furthermore, if Clowney is the guy that helps the Seahawks beat the 49ers... then the 49ers have now business wining the game period. Clowney has never shown up for the big ones. The guy may have impressive stats, but those stats rarely came when it mattered. Clowney is that "ace" pitcher that racks up wins on the sub .500's and gets completely wreaked in the playoffs.

Very true and never had more than 9 sacks WITH a great supporting cast. Very good player but I would rather have Clark

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Geeked:
Seriously??? Dude, the Texans were very patient with the guy and treated him with kid gloves. They even traded him to the team HE WANTED.

Furthermore, if Clowney is the guy that helps the Seahawks beat the 49ers... then the 49ers have now business wining the game period. Clowney has never shown up for the big ones. The guy may have impressive stats, but those stats rarely came when it mattered. Clowney is that "ace" pitcher that racks up wins on the sub .500's and gets completely wreaked in the playoffs.

Very true and never had more than 9 sacks WITH a great supporting cast. Very good player but I would rather have Clark

He's been living off the reputation he built in his soph year of college. He has talent but doesn't always show it. Maybe he won't be so lazy in Seattle but hes' been lagging for a few years now.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by cortez96:
How come you haven't been kicked out of this place.
Your rude, righteous and wrong most of the time.

Huh? You mean right not righteous.You incite and insult people who are against your precious Seahawks. Not only should you be banished to Seahawks land but out of here. You expect to come to another teams forum and have the audacity to incite many members. Also your posts have been laughed at especially in Niner talk. It amazing that you haven't been banned permanently and I'm right when it comes to these easy arguments made against you and fellow Seahawks fans bc to be honest, they don't know football for the most part compared to other teams fans. Again, I'm not surprised you don't know this already. Stick to the rules buddy and stop whining. Don't address me again and if you don't like what I say according to the rules just block my posts.

Haha. Look at you!
Pathetic.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by theduke85:
Repeating what I said above: Clowney has 29 sacks in 62 career games. Dee Ford has 30.5 sacks in 67 career games.

2018
Ford: 13 sacks 7 ff
Clowny: 9 sacks 1 ff

Ford is a better pass rusher but I think that it's closer than people want to admit. I think Clowney is probably overall -- including all facets of the game, i.e. run-stopping -- a better overall player.

I'm not trying to paint Clowney has a Donald/Mack-caliber talent, I'm just saying that the people downplaying this are probably the same ones slurping Lynch for getting Ford. I liked the Ford acquisition for SF, and I also like the Clowney acquisition for SEA.

Originally posted by cortez96:

Haha. Look at you!
Pathetic.

Seriously just quit while you're behind. Watch the personal attack or you will be on a much deserved time out. Follow the rules. Attack the post not the poster. You have some nerve. Back to talking about Clowney if that's not too much for you to handle.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Geeked:

Seriously??? Dude, the Texans were very patient with the guy and treated him with kid gloves. They even traded him to the team HE WANTED.

Furthermore, if Clowney is the guy that helps the Seahawks beat the 49ers... then the 49ers have now business wining the game period. Clowney has never shown up for the big ones. The guy may have impressive stats, but those stats rarely came when it mattered. Clowney is that "ace" pitcher that racks up wins on the sub .500's and gets completely wreaked in the playoffs.

Very true and never had more than 9 sacks WITH a great supporting cast. Very good player but I would rather have Clark

He's been living off the reputation he built in his soph year of college. He has talent but doesn't always show it. Maybe he won't be so lazy in Seattle but hes' been lagging for a few years now.

Very true. Imo it's a downgrade to Clark

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Repeating what I said above: Clowney has 29 sacks in 62 career games. Dee Ford has 30.5 sacks in 67 career games.

2018
Ford: 13 sacks 7 ff
Clowny: 9 sacks 1 ff

Ford is a better pass rusher but I think that it's closer than people want to admit. I think Clowney is probably overall -- including all facets of the game, i.e. run-stopping -- a better overall player.

I'm not trying to paint Clowney has a Donald/Mack-caliber talent, I'm just saying that the people downplaying this are probably the same ones slurping Lynch for getting Ford. I liked the Ford acquisition for SF, and I also like the Clowney acquisition for SEA.

Nice post. I agree. Recently Ford imo is arguably the best pure pass rusher by last seasons standards. Most pressures most turnovers and 13 sacks. I would rather be a little worse against the run in a passing league then have a worse pass rusher that's better defending the run.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Seriously just quit while you're behind. Watch the personal attack or you will be on a much deserved time out. Follow the rules. Attack the post not the poster. You have some nerve. Back to talking about Clowney if that's not too much for you to handle.

That's funny coming from you!

Originally posted by cortez96:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Seriously just quit while you're behind. Watch the personal attack or you will be on a much deserved time out. Follow the rules. Attack the post not the poster. You have some nerve. Back to talking about Clowney if that's not too much for you to handle.

That's funny coming from you!

Theres a reason hes at 85 warning. Hes very rude to a lot posters here.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by cortez96:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Seriously just quit while you're behind. Watch the personal attack or you will be on a much deserved time out. Follow the rules. Attack the post not the poster. You have some nerve. Back to talking about Clowney if that's not too much for you to handle.

That's funny coming from you!

Theres a reason hes at 85 warning. Hes very rude to a lot posters here.

He's off his f@cking trolley!

Clowney spent many seasons as a 3-4 defensive end so that's why he has a low career sack total. 9-10 sacks is what he does when properly used. It's a decent move if he stays healthy.