Jadeveon Clowney

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
People in here acting like this dude is Solomon Thomas. "Run Stuffer"

I guess we'll see. I hope you guys are right, but I doubt it

He is more than a "run stuffer", not sure who said that verbatim. That said, again he is NOT the elite pass rusher he was drafted to be. He has turned into one of the better defensive ends in football though and at 26 he is just hitting his prime. Dude is a stud, hands down.

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
People in here acting like this dude is Solomon Thomas. "Run Stuffer"

I guess we'll see. I hope you guys are right, but I doubt it

He is more than a "run stuffer", not sure who said that verbatim. That said, again he is NOT the elite pass rusher he was drafted to be. He has turned into one of the better defensive ends in football though and at 26 he is just hitting his prime. Dude is a stud, hands down.

Let this sink in... The Texans traded him for two players that even THEY don't think will be around after this season and a mid round pick. That means, in a league where AVERAGE pass rushers are paid very well on rarely given up... unless your the idiot Raiders, 30 GM's came up with worse offers. That's how much confidence the Texans and 30 other teams have in Clowney being worth a Franchise number for one year.

Think about it.

Originally posted by Geeked:
Let this sink in... The Texans traded him for two players that even THEY don't think will be around after this season and a mid round pick. That means, in a league where AVERAGE pass rushers are paid very well on rarely given up... unless your the idiot Raiders, 30 GM's came up with worse offers. That's how much confidence the Texans and 30 other teams have in Clowney being worth a Franchise number for one year.

Think about it.

That's an interesting take. Maybe consider that Clowney effectively controlled where he was going to be traded to given his franchise tender and forced this trade on the Texans.

Terrible trade aside:

This dude's highlight reel still only consists of that one play he had in college.

Is Seattle better with him? Of course. Is he an elite, dependable player? So far the data says no.

Originally posted by Geeked:

Let this sink in... The Texans traded him for two players that even THEY don't think will be around after this season and a mid round pick. That means, in a league where AVERAGE pass rushers are paid very well on rarely given up... unless your the idiot Raiders, 30 GM's came up with worse offers. That's how much confidence the Texans and 30 other teams have in Clowney being worth a Franchise number for one year.

Think about it.

We once got Brandon Whiting for the game's best receiver after getting a 2nd. Brown went for a 1st then after vetoing the trade went for a 4th. Trade value can depend on a lot of factors most notably if the player is controlling where he lands and that was the case here.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Geeked:
Let this sink in... The Texans traded him for two players that even THEY don't think will be around after this season and a mid round pick. That means, in a league where AVERAGE pass rushers are paid very well on rarely given up... unless your the idiot Raiders, 30 GM's came up with worse offers. That's how much confidence the Texans and 30 other teams have in Clowney being worth a Franchise number for one year.

Think about it.

We once got Brandon Whiting for the game's best receiver after getting a 2nd. Brown went for a 1st then after vetoing the trade went for a 4th. Trade value can depend on a lot of factors most notably if the player is controlling where he lands and that was the case here.

Yes, but Clowney did not have that type of leverage. On top of that; the Miami trade which was suppose to be a better deal, was a load of crap. Miami wasn't going to trade for anyone, they're doing a purge.

I'm just saying, Clowney isn't worth a Franchise number and is a significant risk on a long term deal. The Texans are very aware of this... To top things off... the guy has very little cartilage left in one of his knees after a nasty tear took him out in his rookie season.

At the end of the day, if Clowney is the difference maker on the defense... that defense is giving up points.

Originally posted by Geeked:

Yes, but Clowney did not have that type of leverage. On top of that; the Miami trade which was suppose to be a better deal, was a load of crap. Miami wasn't going to trade for anyone, they're doing a purge.

I'm just saying, Clowney isn't worth a Franchise number and is a significant risk on a long term deal. The Texans are very aware of this... To top things off... the guy has very little cartilage left in one of his knees after a nasty tear took him out in his rookie season.

At the end of the day, if Clowney is the difference maker on the defense... that defense is giving up points.

He's been apart of #1 d's while Watt was hurt. You guys are focusing way too much on he only gets 9 sacks a year. The same can be said about Cowboy. That's a 9 sack upgrade from Jefferson.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Geeked:

Yes, but Clowney did not have that type of leverage. On top of that; the Miami trade which was suppose to be a better deal, was a load of crap. Miami wasn't going to trade for anyone, they're doing a purge.

I'm just saying, Clowney isn't worth a Franchise number and is a significant risk on a long term deal. The Texans are very aware of this... To top things off... the guy has very little cartilage left in one of his knees after a nasty tear took him out in his rookie season.

At the end of the day, if Clowney is the difference maker on the defense... that defense is giving up points.

He's been apart of #1 d's while Watt was hurt. You guys are focusing way too much on he only gets 9 sacks a year. That's a 9 sack upgrade from Jefferson.

And we think you are focusing way too much on ignoring the fact he only got 9 sacks during his best year

Originally posted by elguapo:

And we think you are focusing way too much on ignoring the fact he only got 9 sacks during his best year

You must of hated Justin Smith who never had double digit as an end, tackle or lb.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
He's been apart of #1 d's while Watt was hurt. You guys are focusing way too much on he only gets 9 sacks a year. That's a 9 sack upgrade from Jefferson.

hey, he'll get 9 sacks this year. Four of them will be against Arizona. He'll have one against playoff bound St. Louis in garbage time (second to the last game in the year). He'll get two against the 49ers because… well, if he manages to trip over himself inside the guard will wet their pants and dive for cover. And some other meaningless late game non drive impacting series where Seattle is either winning by a safe margin or losing by 14 + points with no real hope of coming back.

Trust me, I've watched every game with this dude. As a 49er fan, I don't see Clowney occupying a roster spot and a large amount of cap space with a division rival as a bad thing.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Terrible trade aside:

This dude's highlight reel still only consists of that one play he had in college.

Is Seattle better with him? Of course. Is he an elite, dependable player? So far the data says no.

So you judge NFL players on college highlight reels and stats?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by elguapo:

And we think you are focusing way too much on ignoring the fact he only got 9 sacks during his best year

You must of hated Justin Smith who never had double digit as an end, tackle or lb.

Ya it's just irrational hate bc hes in Sea now.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Terrible trade aside:

This dude's highlight reel still only consists of that one play he had in college.

Is Seattle better with him? Of course. Is he an elite, dependable player? So far the data says no.

So you judge NFL players on college highlight reels and stats?

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Terrible trade aside:

This dude's highlight reel still only consists of that one play he had in college.

Is Seattle better with him? Of course. Is he an elite, dependable player? So far the data says no.

So you judge NFL players on college highlight reels and stats?

They got him for two guys they were gonna cut a 3rd round pick that can come back to them if he doesnt sign.

Hes a good player and SEA got a steal. He doesnt need to be all pro to still provide a good impact, especially for what they gave up to give him. Ppl acting like SEA gave up multiple firsts for him.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by elguapo:

And we think you are focusing way too much on ignoring the fact he only got 9 sacks during his best year

You must of hated Justin Smith who never had double digit as an end, tackle or lb.

No but he was never the first pick in the draft and he was never paid like a franchise player. Nice try though