Dan Brunskill - OG signs with the Titans

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Mass majority at T...really like him there. Just kind of shows you the athleticism required in this system and how T and G are interchangeable in OZ. If a guy from the AAF can walk in and do it, no doubt a top 10 T could convert to G here pretty easily until Staley retires.

Difference is the 9ers shouldn't be continually doing that. It's fine for a backup to cross train but once you are a starter you should be focused on either T or IOL.

I totally agree with this. With the new CBA rules and a required 8 OL active on game days, OL can finally go back to being specialists...the 3 reserves focus on just T, G & C. No longer is "versatility" the reason one OL stays over another on the 55. This could instantly help OL's improve across the NFL too. That little move is huge in my eyes going forward.

Agreed and as much as I like Brunskill, let's be honest, game planning and play calls *changed* to hide the learning curve needed to cover not just back-ups but starters. There's a reason why we most of our passes were short or to RBs, and it wasn't just because "WRs weren't open." We intentionally shied away from plays that blatantly required our OL to pass protect for long (and I don't mean plays that were designed to freeze defenders with play action). I'd for once like to see what Kyle can really dial up for his passing game when he isn't hamstrung by consistent breakdowns in PP. However that requires guys who can block 1 on 1. Consistently. Without help from play-calling.

Is Brunskill that guy? I hope so but still not sure given the situational football. As a run-blocker? He looks great. As a starter on an island against some of the better PR talent in the NFL without an altered game plan? I'd like to see more. Why there will be competition I think this off-season (when/if we have one). Kyle seems to finally be taking the approach with his OL that he's taken with the WRs: you need to earn your spot, not just in late summer, but throughout the year and we will make the hard personnel decisions (Person) when we need/have to.

He was continually left on an island at OT and was lights out in PP.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Mass majority at T...really like him there. Just kind of shows you the athleticism required in this system and how T and G are interchangeable in OZ. If a guy from the AAF can walk in and do it, no doubt a top 10 T could convert to G here pretty easily until Staley retires.

Difference is the 9ers shouldn't be continually doing that. It's fine for a backup to cross train but once you are a starter you should be focused on either T or IOL.

I totally agree with this. With the new CBA rules and a required 8 OL active on game days, OL can finally go back to being specialists...the 3 reserves focus on just T, G & C. No longer is "versatility" the reason one OL stays over another on the 55. This could instantly help OL's improve across the NFL too. That little move is huge in my eyes going forward.

Agreed and as much as I like Brunskill, let's be honest, game planning and play calls *changed* to hide the learning curve needed to cover not just back-ups but starters. There's a reason why we most of our passes were short or to RBs, and it wasn't just because "WRs weren't open." We intentionally shied away from plays that blatantly required our OL to pass protect for long (and I don't mean plays that were designed to freeze defenders with play action). I'd for once like to see what Kyle can really dial up for his passing game when he isn't hamstrung by consistent breakdowns in PP. However that requires guys who can block 1 on 1. Consistently. Without help from play-calling.

Is Brunskill that guy? I hope so but still not sure given the situational football. As a run-blocker? He looks great. As a starter on an island against some of the better PR talent in the NFL without an altered game plan? I'd like to see more. Why there will be competition I think this off-season (when/if we have one). Kyle seems to finally be taking the approach with his OL that he's taken with the WRs: you need to earn your spot, not just in late summer, but throughout the year and we will make the hard personnel decisions (Person) when we need/have to.

He was continually left on an island at OT and was lights out in PP.

Hoov, we absolutely changed the way we called games when back-ups played. We simply ran way more. So did we ask Brunskill to be Joe Staley? Are you saying that's what we did 100% of the time?

Yup, maybe not 100% of the time, but that's not feasible when you are playing not 1, but 2 rookie OTs. Fact if the matter is they left him on an island a lot in PP, unlike Skule, and he showed elite PP skills. A lot to be excited about
Btw they ran way more no matter tho was in this year because no one could stop the run.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Mass majority at T...really like him there. Just kind of shows you the athleticism required in this system and how T and G are interchangeable in OZ. If a guy from the AAF can walk in and do it, no doubt a top 10 T could convert to G here pretty easily until Staley retires.

Difference is the 9ers shouldn't be continually doing that. It's fine for a backup to cross train but once you are a starter you should be focused on either T or IOL.

I totally agree with this. With the new CBA rules and a required 8 OL active on game days, OL can finally go back to being specialists...the 3 reserves focus on just T, G & C. No longer is "versatility" the reason one OL stays over another on the 55. This could instantly help OL's improve across the NFL too. That little move is huge in my eyes going forward.

Agreed and as much as I like Brunskill, let's be honest, game planning and play calls *changed* to hide the learning curve needed to cover not just back-ups but starters. There's a reason why we most of our passes were short or to RBs, and it wasn't just because "WRs weren't open." We intentionally shied away from plays that blatantly required our OL to pass protect for long (and I don't mean plays that were designed to freeze defenders with play action). I'd for once like to see what Kyle can really dial up for his passing game when he isn't hamstrung by consistent breakdowns in PP. However that requires guys who can block 1 on 1. Consistently. Without help from play-calling.

Is Brunskill that guy? I hope so but still not sure given the situational football. As a run-blocker? He looks great. As a starter on an island against some of the better PR talent in the NFL without an altered game plan? I'd like to see more. Why there will be competition I think this off-season (when/if we have one). Kyle seems to finally be taking the approach with his OL that he's taken with the WRs: you need to earn your spot, not just in late summer, but throughout the year and we will make the hard personnel decisions (Person) when we need/have to.

He was continually left on an island at OT and was lights out in PP.

Hoov, we absolutely changed the way we called games when back-ups played. We simply ran way more. So did we ask Brunskill to be Joe Staley? Are you saying that's what we did 100% of the time?

Yup, maybe not 100% of the time, but that's not feasible when you are playing not 1, but 2 rookie OTs. Fact if the matter is they left him on an island in PO, unlike Skule, and he showed elite PP skills. A lot to be excited about

How can we assess elite when the game was called completely differently. I liked what I saw but ready to designate it elite? I'd say no and I don't even think the coaching staff is that far yet but we'll see.

It's very easy to assess a guy in PP by watching him PP on passing downs, no matter how the game is called. You can look at his footwork, how long he is holding his blocks etc etc. I never said he was elite, I said he showed elite PP skills.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

How can we assess elite when the game was called completely differently. I liked what I saw but ready to designate it elite? I'd say no and I don't even think the coaching staff is that far yet but we'll see.

And MMcG came back before Staley so Brunskill evaluation was longer than Skule's. I'm not saying Brunskill isn't good, I'm saying I'm with the coaches in that competition is good and there's a lot that has to be proven.

Skule started 8 games at OT, Brunskill started 4. They started together at OT 4x

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Does any one know if this cat can play C?

Not sure, but Garland is a good backup C.

Totally agree.

If we had brunskill we win the superbowl

Originally posted by BlackGoat49:

If we had brunskill we win the superbowl

And the HOF.

Whichever scout saw Brunskill's talent and versatility should get a raise. This guy's been invaluable and will more than likely be our starting RG this coming season. I'm hoping Lynch/Shanahan also invest in a big, nasty C...like Tyler Biadasz. Richburg just can't stay healthy and while Garland's done a credible job filling in, he's not a starting caliber C, IMHO. The SB showed the weakness of the C and RG positions when it counted most, at the end of the game. Back to Brunskill, I'm so happy we have this guy. Kudos to whoever highlighted him to our braintrust.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

Whichever scout saw Brunskill's talent and versatility should get a raise. This guy's been invaluable and will more than likely be our starting RG this coming season. I'm hoping Lynch/Shanahan also invest in a big, nasty C...like Tyler Biadasz. Richburg just can't stay healthy and while Garland's done a credible job filling in, he's not a starting caliber C, IMHO. The SB showed the weakness of the C and RG positions when it counted most, at the end of the game. Back to Brunskill, I'm so happy we have this guy. Kudos to whoever highlighted him to our braintrust.

I think Biadasz could be a good option. Could probably be had in the 3rd. Had a down year due to injury, but checks a lot of the boxes, has a ton of talent and Benton could clean up some things with him.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

How can we assess elite when the game was called completely differently. I liked what I saw but ready to designate it elite? I'd say no and I don't even think the coaching staff is that far yet but we'll see.

And MMcG came back before Staley so Brunskill evaluation was longer than Skule's. I'm not saying Brunskill isn't good, I'm saying I'm with the coaches in that competition is good and there's a lot that has to be proven.

Skule started 8 games at OT, Brunskill started 4. They started together at OT 4x

True Skule has 100 more snaps than Brunskill, however it still doesn't change that they are thinking about him at RG and not at OT. Maybe swing tackle and it's far too soon to call his play elite.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

It's very easy to assess a guy in PP by watching him PP on passing downs, no matter how the game is called. You can look at his footwork, how long he is holding his blocks etc etc. I never said he was elite, I said he showed elite PP skills.

? So there's now no difference in asking someone to PP for 3 secs versus 5 seconds or simply calling more running plays than passing plays by far? If the criteria is watching how long blocks are held, yet you're comparing someone who is asked to hold blocks longer than someone else, that's not a factor at all? Come on Hoov. I'm with you in that he a good player and shown flashes in PP, but there's a reason his "elite" PP skills most likely will not be displayed at OT but at RG. I just think it's too early for the elite moniker but hey we've disagreed on other stuff before so that's okay.

Again.....I never said he was elite. I said he showed elite PP skills in his starts at OT, which he did. He also showed good promise at RG.
Never said there is no difference between 3 and 5 seconds passes. . What I laid out what you can look for to gauge how he's doing in PP, regardless of how they are calling plays. Of course you can get a better idea of PP with longer developing plays, So you are saying in all 476 of his snaps that he never had to pass protect for 5 seconds or more? Every play designed with him in there was a run or 3 second pass?
Didn't really follow the bolded
Lol yes we have take care bud

It is very hard to say which came first, the chicken or the egg, when it comes to calling 3 or 5 step drops. There was never a time this season that I thought the overall PP was elite, or even very good. There was always someone in there that was not holding up well. Garland, Skule and Person took turns being not good. Tomlinson and McGlinchey we both average. Brunskill and Staley has identical (80) ratings.

That having been said, based on what we say, if we are going to trust Staley going forward, we should trust Brunskill as well. Yes, I know about all the coach-speak about competition and all. IMO, the RG job is Brunskill's to lose. Depending on the draft, it just may be that Brunskill is the one that stays at guard until Joe retires. At the very least, he gives great flexibility in the draft.

Originally posted by dj43:

It is very hard to say which came first, the chicken or the egg, when it comes to calling 3 or 5 step drops. There was never a time this season that I thought the overall PP was elite, or even very good. There was always someone in there that was not holding up well. Garland, Skule and Person took turns being not good. Tomlinson and McGlinchey we both average. Brunskill and Staley has identical (80) ratings.

That having been said, based on what we say, if we are going to trust Staley going forward, we should trust Brunskill as well. Yes, I know about all the coach-speak about competition and all. IMO, the RG job is Brunskill's to lose. Depending on the draft, it just may be that Brunskill is the one that stays at guard until Joe retires. At the very least, he gives great flexibility in the draft.

DJ, if at #13, Thomas and say Lamb, were both there, would we take Thomas? I guess we could finesse it and drop down a slot and take whoever was left plus another 50 pts, which wouldn't get us much. I think the crystal ball says that kyle takes the WR . But should we take Thomas?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Whichever scout saw Brunskill's talent and versatility should get a raise. This guy's been invaluable and will more than likely be our starting RG this coming season. I'm hoping Lynch/Shanahan also invest in a big, nasty C...like Tyler Biadasz. Richburg just can't stay healthy and while Garland's done a credible job filling in, he's not a starting caliber C, IMHO. The SB showed the weakness of the C and RG positions when it counted most, at the end of the game. Back to Brunskill, I'm so happy we have this guy. Kudos to whoever highlighted him to our braintrust.

I think Biadasz could be a good option. Could probably be had in the 3rd. Had a down year due to injury, but checks a lot of the boxes, has a ton of talent and Benton could clean up some things with him.

If we trade 31 and are able to land him - it'd be a great move.

I think this kid is gonna show up this yr....he stonewalled that Seattle DL end of the yr and I have no idea why he wasn't starting in the SB.

Also he's only got to learn one position this yr. That alone should help him a ton.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I think this kid is gonna show up this yr....he stonewalled that Seattle DL end of the yr and I have no idea why he wasn't starting in the SB.

Also he's only got to learn one position this yr. That alone should help him a ton.

I do love that he comes from a T skill set and mindset. Pass protection first. I actually thought he did better than expected in run blocking too. Kid is a keeper.

Now, can he fully transition to an every down 16 game high quality starter?

Let's find out. There's always Tom Compton and Lenny Kravitz if it doesn't work out or he goes down. Haha.