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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:So Brunskill won 10 out of 15 rounds against Donald and still lost the fight? Bogus, Grant is still an arse licker but gotta admit it was a good one except for the final decision..lol.
Originally posted by Waterbear:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by illinois9er:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by illinois9er:Originally posted by pdizo916:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by pdizo916:If he's starting at RG, who is going to be the swing tackle?
Coleman/Skule/Colton McKivitz
Word was that before Coleman got hurt that he was far and away the backup LT, supposedly looked great in camp
Was a starter in CLE. He may not be a world beater but not really sure what folks want from a swing tackle.
I see no reason that we can't have pro bowl players at every position on the roster.
Wait. If he's wearing a 9er uniform, 75% of the fanbase already believes he's a pro bowler. LOL. So I guess it's all relative.
The issue has always been the interior line. But as I've said before look around... the center position is dogs**t right now and there aren't that many elite guards either.
We seemingly have hit on all tackle prospects so far even if you disagree we have made enough effort in fixing that position. I would disagree with that assumption but you really can't ask more from a rookie tackle in how he played last year.
NY is correct and its really strange to see our scouting of offensive lineman any differently.
Originally posted by NCommand:
That's not what I was talking about.
We, including myself at times, overvalue our own far too often. Remember when Skule was the heir apparent to Staley? Wishnowsky was the first ever ST weapon? Pettis is a #1?
My point is, to relax the expectations some. Brunskill has started 2 games at RG. Let the man develop and prove himself more. He could turn out to be nothing more than a spot starter at 4 positions or one of the next top G's in the game.
You're spot on about C and T too. They've done fantastic with the T position because they are willing to spend top resources there. C, they tried but it has backfired and they continue to settle with Garland-like players as depth. I don't agree with that after 4 drafts and 4 off seasons.
And the REAL issue you keep glossing over is this isn't about individual play but unit pass protection from 4 of our OL to TE, FB and RB's at times too. That is the real issue. The one that cost us everything.
Even with Kittle, Juice and the Arby's staying in to pass protect because our starting 5 couldn't hold, it still was getting beat 7v5. Until that's fixed, we won't be winning a Superbowl anytime soon.
And has THAT been fixed?
I agree, once we had to resort to passing in the 4Q, I would have preferred Brunskill in over Person but TBF, Person was the OL MVP the prior game - albeit in run blocking.
Your point about C is very important. It makes the whole unit go and the C calls the line protections. Garland very much struggles in that aspect and counting on Richburg for anything is like counting on Ward. You just never know what kind of health you'll get but he does have above average ability at this stage and he costs a lot...so he's playing one way or another.
Originally posted by BlackGoat49:
Brunskill should've started in the superbowl. Persons was being selfish and wasnt 100% and getting destroyed.
Originally posted by BlackGoat49:
Brunskill should've started in the superbowl. Persons was being selfish and wasnt 100% and getting destroyed.
Originally posted by dlance:Originally posted by NCommand:That's not what I was talking about.
We, including myself at times, overvalue our own far too often. Remember when Skule was the heir apparent to Staley? Wishnowsky was the first ever ST weapon? Pettis is a #1?
My point is, to relax the expectations some. Brunskill has started 2 games at RG. Let the man develop and prove himself more. He could turn out to be nothing more than a spot starter at 4 positions or one of the next top G's in the game.
You're spot on about C and T too. They've done fantastic with the T position because they are willing to spend top resources there. C, they tried but it has backfired and they continue to settle with Garland-like players as depth. I don't agree with that after 4 drafts and 4 off seasons.
And the REAL issue you keep glossing over is this isn't about individual play but unit pass protection from 4 of our OL to TE, FB and RB's at times too. That is the real issue. The one that cost us everything.
Even with Kittle, Juice and the Arby's staying in to pass protect because our starting 5 couldn't hold, it still was getting beat 7v5. Until that's fixed, we won't be winning a Superbowl anytime soon.
And has THAT been fixed?
I agree, once we had to resort to passing in the 4Q, I would have preferred Brunskill in over Person but TBF, Person was the OL MVP the prior game - albeit in run blocking.
Your point about C is very important. It makes the whole unit go and the C calls the line protections. Garland very much struggles in that aspect and counting on Richburg for anything is like counting on Ward. You just never know what kind of health you'll get but he does have above average ability at this stage and he costs a lot...so he's playing one way or another.
Going into the 4th and not being able to slow down the pass rush is what worries me too. The 7 vs 5 in the super bowl is a great example of what we where seeing.
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
The chiefs were bringing heat all game. It was obvious. They were amped and taking the fight to us. If only we had an offensive coach who could counter this pressure with screens and such. Oh well.
Originally posted by dlance:Originally posted by Big_Daddy:The chiefs were bringing heat all game. It was obvious. They were amped and taking the fight to us. If only we had an offensive coach who could counter this pressure with screens and such. Oh well.
Your 100% correct and they did that in the first half with the sleeps and end around.They fell behind and had to go down the field and could not hold up. Jimmy missed some. WR missed some Oline wiffed some. It's not all on O line but they need to improve along with WR and Jimmy.
Originally posted by Giedi:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by illinois9er:Originally posted by pdizo916:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by pdizo916:If he's starting at RG, who is going to be the swing tackle?
Coleman/Skule/Colton McKivitz
Word was that before Coleman got hurt that he was far and away the backup LT, supposedly looked great in camp
Was a starter in CLE. He may not be a world beater but not really sure what ride folks want from a swing tackle.
The more depth - the better for us during the season. McKivits is a 5th rounder, so that's the sweet spot for ShanaLynch. *IF* this 5th rounder is as good as the average of the 3 previous 5th rounders ShanaLynch has picked in the draft -- McKivits is going to be all-pro in a year or two.
If Brunskill and McKivits make the team and solidify the depth, I feel really comfortable in our OLine going into the regular season. Hope we have a pre-season where we can see both play and have our own personal evaluations of these guys.
Originally posted by NCommand:.
Originally posted by dlance:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
That 15 round fight article by Cohn on the home page with Brunskill vs Donald is one of the best articles Cohn ever wrote. Can't believe I'm about to say this but I completely agree with him on all of it, especially the last part where I don't understand how they went back to Person at RG in the playoffs after Brunskill performed so much better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s22yOsRjuKk
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NCommand:.
where'd they PFF graphic go?
