Seahawks are the luckiest team in the league

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by communist:

Keep in mind that they had to rebuild, yet they stayed competitive.
Not the legion of boom anymore? That is what you comparing them too? Lol, why don't you compare them to the best team of all time, whoever it is.
But yes, "not being the legiom of boom anymore = Seahawks suck" seems to be a real argument. Oh wait, sorry, it's luck and only luck.
at the end of the day, the Seahawks are winning most of their games. and they do that for years. that is not just luck.

Exactly

When you have your franchise QB in house you are never "rebuilding".

If the team overall sucks, only a HOF QB will help you. But only that much. Next example is GB.

BTW, since when is Wilson a franchise QB aka elite? Thought that the zone views him as average at best.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by communist:

Niners - fans a couple of years ago:
Seahawks will enter the cap hell soon, hence it will be over for them!
...nothing happened.
Niners - fans today (and every year):
Seahawks are so lucky...

Embarrassing thread.

No, it's not.

They were lucky then too, and let's face it they are no longer a FORCE of a team that they used to be because of salary cap reasons. Most likely never will be. Nothing is wrong about those statements except for your omission on the luck part from way back then.

What they do have is Wilson finally playing well enough to carry the team against 75-80% of the teams they play with good coaching and very opportunistic luck. Remember that the last few years they struggled to get to 9-10 wins, and if Wilson didn't finally have his true breakout year, they'd have been at 7-9 wins right now at most and the 49ers would be NFC West Champs.

What's embarrassing is he actually thinks it's not true. Now that's embarrassing. It's straight up denial.

Originally posted by trogdor:

Sorry guys, but this doesn't add up. You're saying the QB essentially has basically nothing to do with successful passing plays, which as football fans you should know isn't true.

I hate the Seahawks as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to do mental gymnastics to convince myself Wilson isn't good. He's got arguably the best deep ball in the league, and is a gamer.

That's not at all what we're essentially saying, I think you might need to look at our posts again. We are making a statement of fact that he was just a spectator and game manager during their only Super Bowl win and the next Super Bowl he absolutely had the worst play ever. Ever!

He has a history of not performing well in the playoffs against good defenses and also in the regular season. We're not saying he's not a good passer we're just saying he's not good at going through progressions and converting third downs with his arm. There are plenty of quarterbacks like that

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by trogdor:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

The Seahawks get some absolutely incredible breaks. On calls, they way the ball bounces when fumbled, on tips for interceptions. Just everything. It always happens at key moments in the game too. That's just going by the eyeball test. I'm not sure what the actual stats say. But the eyeball test says they are incredibly lucky. All that said sometimes people trivialize them here on the WZ too. They are a real good team. Russell Wilson is hugely underrated. He is one of the best QB's in this league and very hard to stop. Pete Carroll is one of the best football coaches there is. They are competitive year after year.

I've seen Wilson's receivers make the most incredible catches.. I give there receivers the credit over wilson..

Even that corner end zone td pass/catch that had a low % completion.. the f**king receiver made that happen.. wilson tosses the ball up and there receivers come down with the most amazing catches.

It's not wilson..

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Sorry guys, but this doesn't add up. You're saying the QB essentially has basically nothing to do with successful passing plays, which as football fans you should know isn't true.

I hate the Seahawks as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to do mental gymnastics to convince myself Wilson isn't good. He's got arguably the best deep ball in the league, and is a gamer.

Lol is guapo still trying to say Wilson is not good? Lmao...near 10 year obsession he has with RW is weird.

Ya the mental gymnastics are at an extreme in this thread.

Is Gore still trying to convince people that Wilson is a great passer and hasn't choked in a Super Bowl and was a game manager in the other one? I guess sticking up for a quarterback that can't go through progressions and also does not do well against good defenses is trendy. Just the facts man. If you can't deal with it, I don't know what to tell you. I'm just glad they will never win a Super Bowl with him especially if they play a good defense in the playoffs. We've already seen this plenty of times. The evidence is there. Not in denial. Imagine trying to stick up for Russell Wilson all the time. That is mental gymnastics if I've ever seen it

Originally posted by elguapo:
That's not at all what we're essentially saying, I think you might need to look at our posts again. We are making a statement of fact that he was just a spectator and game manager during their only Super Bowl win and the next Super Bowl he absolutely had the worst play ever. Ever!

He has a history of not performing well in the playoffs against good defenses and also in the regular season. We're not saying he's not a good passer we're just saying he's not good at going through progressions and converting third downs with his arm. There are plenty of quarterbacks like that

You have to consider the offense he plays in. They have always based their game around running the ball and Wilson making a big play or two during the game. It's not an offense that's built to pile up big passing stats. Kyle's offense is similar in that he likes a strong running game too and he doesn't want to have his QB dropping back 50 times a game. It's one reason we will likely never see Jimmy lead the league in passing yards or TD's.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by trogdor:
Sorry guys, but this doesn't add up. You're saying the QB essentially has basically nothing to do with successful passing plays, which as football fans you should know isn't true.

I hate the Seahawks as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to do mental gymnastics to convince myself Wilson isn't good. He's got arguably the best deep ball in the league, and is a gamer.

That's not at all what we're essentially saying, I think you might need to look at our posts again. We are making a statement of fact that he was just a spectator and game manager during their only Super Bowl win and the next Super Bowl he absolutely had the worst play ever. Ever!

He has a history of not performing well in the playoffs against good defenses and also in the regular season. We're not saying he's not a good passer we're just saying he's not good at going through progressions and converting third downs with his arm. There are plenty of quarterbacks like that

He's a great thrower of the football in terms of accuracy, arm strength, and throwing ability...but man, he is not a top end QB. Who knows, his mobility may never leave him and he may be able to use it until he's 40 since he doesn't necessarily rely heavily on speed.

But, he is a not a top end overall QB. He is not a gunslinger.

Seattle is well coached and have a never say die top tier QB. Playing in Seattle isn't scary like a few years ago. They are 4-3 at home with two one point wins (Cincinnati and the Rams), an overtime win over Tampa, and a seven point win over Minnesota. They used to have an outstanding home field advantage. Never take Seattle lightly, but the Legion of Boom is long gone.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by trogdor:
Sorry guys, but this doesn't add up. You're saying the QB essentially has basically nothing to do with successful passing plays, which as football fans you should know isn't true.

I hate the Seahawks as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to do mental gymnastics to convince myself Wilson isn't good. He's got arguably the best deep ball in the league, and is a gamer.

That's not at all what we're essentially saying, I think you might need to look at our posts again. We are making a statement of fact that he was just a spectator and game manager during their only Super Bowl win and the next Super Bowl he absolutely had the worst play ever. Ever!

He has a history of not performing well in the playoffs against good defenses and also in the regular season. We're not saying he's not a good passer we're just saying he's not good at going through progressions and converting third downs with his arm. There are plenty of quarterbacks like that

He's a great thrower of the football in terms of accuracy, arm strength, and throwing ability...but man, he is not a top end QB. Who knows, his mobility may never leave him and he may be able to use it until he's 40 since he doesn't necessarily rely heavily on speed.

But, he is a not a top end overall QB. He is not a gunslinger.

I'd disagree. You take Wilson off that team and they are a dumpster fire imo. Wilson isn't what I'd prefer for my franchise QB, but the guy wins, so who cares how if it's consistent? I think the way he does it is ugly and not the way I'd prefer to see it done and I didn't think it could be sustained, but I was wrong. Top-end QB's win consistently and Wilson does that. The Cucks have been highly competitive and a perennial playoff team since he's come aboard despite the dismantling of their historically dominant defense.

can we bring back a roided up T.O. for one game or nah?

Wilson is a very good QB, but I am glad he is not our QB. He is very fake and very corny. Also, who wifes up Ciarra, who has been run through tons of rappers. I believe has a kid by a rapper. Seems like a simp.

Where our QB bangs porn stars lol

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

You have to consider the offense he plays in. They have always based their game around running the ball and Wilson making a big play or two during the game. It's not an offense that's built to pile up big passing stats. Kyle's offense is similar in that he likes a strong running game too and he doesn't want to have his QB dropping back 50 times a game. It's one reason we will likely never see Jimmy lead the league in passing yards or TD's.

When Pete Carroll was at USC he had no issue hiring passing heavy OCs. Suddenly in the pros he wants a run first offense where the qb is secondary?

Reality is Wilson can't do what Brees or Rodgers does. Pete has set that team up to accentuate what he does well. That isn't throwing 35 times a game.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by trogdor:
Sorry guys, but this doesn't add up. You're saying the QB essentially has basically nothing to do with successful passing plays, which as football fans you should know isn't true.

I hate the Seahawks as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to do mental gymnastics to convince myself Wilson isn't good. He's got arguably the best deep ball in the league, and is a gamer.

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That's not at all what we're essentially saying, I think you might need to look at our posts again. We are making a statement of fact that he was just a spectator and game manager during their only Super Bowl win and the next Super Bowl he absolutely had the worst play ever. Ever!

He has a history of not performing well in the playoffs against good defenses and also in the regular season. We're not saying he's not a good passer we're just saying he's not good at going through progressions and converting third downs with his arm. There are plenty of quarterbacks like that

He's a great thrower of the football in terms of accuracy, arm strength, and throwing ability...but man, he is not a top end QB. Who knows, his mobility may never leave him and he may be able to use it until he's 40 since he doesn't necessarily rely heavily on speed.

But, he is a not a top end overall QB. He is not a gunslinger.

I'd disagree. You take Wilson off that team and they are a dumpster fire imo. Wilson isn't what I'd prefer for my franchise QB, but the guy wins, so who cares how if it's consistent? I think the way he does it is ugly and not the way I'd prefer to see it done and I didn't think it could be sustained, but I was wrong. Top-end QB's win consistently and Wilson does that. The Cucks have been highly competitive and a perennial playoff team since he's come aboard despite the dismantling of their historically dominant defense.

I don't disagree with you about the outcomes of games Wilson plays in.

I mean, Alex Smith wins too.

Just saying, I feel neither are at that higher level of QBs.

Originally posted by WINiner:
I'd disagree. You take Wilson off that team and they are a dumpster fire imo. Wilson isn't what I'd prefer for my franchise QB, but the guy wins, so who cares how if it's consistent? I think the way he does it is ugly and not the way I'd prefer to see it done and I didn't think it could be sustained, but I was wrong. Top-end QB's win consistently and Wilson does that. The Cucks have been highly competitive and a perennial playoff team since he's come aboard despite the dismantling of their historically dominant defense.

Wilson is like the Inca Empire to the Tooters. He goes and the empire collapses.

He is a great QB at the moment in this sense - he is a game winner. It doesn't matter how ugly he plays because he wins.

A mobile QB who runs around like him is always at a higher risk of injury. This could happen at any time or may not happen. IF it does the Tooters are screwed

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by elguapo:
That's not at all what we're essentially saying, I think you might need to look at our posts again. We are making a statement of fact that he was just a spectator and game manager during their only Super Bowl win and the next Super Bowl he absolutely had the worst play ever. Ever!

He has a history of not performing well in the playoffs against good defenses and also in the regular season. We're not saying he's not a good passer we're just saying he's not good at going through progressions and converting third downs with his arm. There are plenty of quarterbacks like that

You have to consider the offense he plays in. They have always based their game around running the ball and Wilson making a big play or two during the game. It's not an offense that's built to pile up big passing stats. Kyle's offense is similar in that he likes a strong running game too and he doesn't want to have his QB dropping back 50 times a game. It's one reason we will likely never see Jimmy lead the league in passing yards or TD's.

Yep, he's an average QB for the first three quarters of games. In the 4th quarter after Seattle has tired out defenses with their run game, his schoolyard scrambling opens up big plays when the D can't chase him around anymore. Suddenly he looks like a superstar.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by trogdor:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

The Seahawks get some absolutely incredible breaks. On calls, they way the ball bounces when fumbled, on tips for interceptions. Just everything. It always happens at key moments in the game too. That's just going by the eyeball test. I'm not sure what the actual stats say. But the eyeball test says they are incredibly lucky. All that said sometimes people trivialize them here on the WZ too. They are a real good team. Russell Wilson is hugely underrated. He is one of the best QB's in this league and very hard to stop. Pete Carroll is one of the best football coaches there is. They are competitive year after year.

I've seen Wilson's receivers make the most incredible catches.. I give there receivers the credit over wilson..

Even that corner end zone td pass/catch that had a low % completion.. the f**king receiver made that happen.. wilson tosses the ball up and there receivers come down with the most amazing catches.

It's not wilson..

Bingo

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Sorry guys, but this doesn't add up. You're saying the QB essentially has basically nothing to do with successful passing plays, which as football fans you should know isn't true.

I hate the Seahawks as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to do mental gymnastics to convince myself Wilson isn't good. He's got arguably the best deep ball in the league, and is a gamer.

Lol is guapo still trying to say Wilson is not good? Lmao...near 10 year obsession he has with RW is weird.

Ya the mental gymnastics are at an extreme in this thread.

Is Gore still trying to convince people that Wilson is a great passer and hasn't choked in a Super Bowl and was a game manager in the other one? I guess sticking up for a quarterback that can't go through progressions and also does not do well against good defenses is trendy. Just the facts man. If you can't deal with it, I don't know what to tell you. I'm just glad they will never win a Super Bowl with him especially if they play a good defense in the playoffs. We've already seen this plenty of times. The evidence is there. Not in denial. Imagine trying to stick up for Russell Wilson all the time. That is mental gymnastics if I've ever seen it

Yikes.