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Will the 2020 NFL season be canceled due to COVID19?

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Originally posted by DASeiler49:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:
Sports slowly coming back in Austria and some other european Countries.
Well, lucky we are that we dont have presidents that thought for weeks the virus will go away on its own but some politicians who reacted in time.

Were they injecting bleach in Europe? Is they why sport is ok now? Or was it the UV light under the skin?

It's an IV of the UV. The real magic starts when you blow that healing sunshine out of your ass.

Wow they can do that and not be called Jesus?
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Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by Niners99:
lol its like everyone forgot who the NFL is. The NFL is FAR too greedy to cancel a season. This is a league that went on and played with scabs off the street during a strike. Come hell or highwater, the NFL is playing their season.

NFL owners routinely bully the players union into meeting their demands. Plus NFL players have such a short window of peak performance, losing a season of their career isn't something most of them are willing to do, so they probably would go along with some kind of quarantine restricted season.

If a player is forced to play and they get COVID-19 they will be sued into oblivion. It isnt like the NBA where the COVID-19 wasnt prevalent in US at a high %. America is roughly 5% of population but we have over 30% of confirmed COVID-19 cases.

The odds of player getting COVID-19 is just too high and it will only take one player before 2+ teams have to be quarantined and cant play.

It will be the insurance companies that stop the season
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Whether or not there is a league season looks more and more like it will largely depend on what Gavin Newsom allows here in California. Louisiana and New York/New Jersey will be in play also but Newsom looks like he has the tightest hand. One of his conditions is near 100% testing AND a vaccine.

Researchers are going flat out to create a vaccine. The fact C19 is similar to SARS and MERS is of some help because they know a good bit about how the crown protein works. The problem is coming with a method of blocking it. Vaccines for viruses are not easy to attain. Will they be able to prevent infection or just reduce the severity? How long will the vaccine last? All of these are questions that will take a long time to answer. If Newsom wants a fail-safe vaccine before he allow California teams to practice/play, then kiss off the season.
Originally posted by dj43:
If Newsom wants a fail-safe vaccine before he allow California teams to practice/play, then kiss off the season.

If he wants that expect lawsuits and serious social pushback by late August, especially if harder hit states like New York are more reopened than California.
[ Edited by captveg on May 6, 2020 at 10:46 AM ]
Originally posted by dj43:
Whether or not there is a league season looks more and more like it will largely depend on what Gavin Newsom allows here in California. Louisiana and New York/New Jersey will be in play also but Newsom looks like he has the tightest hand. One of his conditions is near 100% testing AND a vaccine.

Researchers are going flat out to create a vaccine. The fact C19 is similar to SARS and MERS is of some help because they know a good bit about how the crown protein works. The problem is coming with a method of blocking it. Vaccines for viruses are not easy to attain. Will they be able to prevent infection or just reduce the severity? How long will the vaccine last? All of these are questions that will take a long time to answer. If Newsom wants a fail-safe vaccine before he allow California teams to practice/play, then kiss off the season.

Its an RNA Virus so unfortunately it does mutate often however it doesnt seem to be mutating as fast as other RNA viruses. But the common flu needs a new vaccine every year because the amount of mutations.

We have to find the vaccine and vaccine everyone so the virus will not have the ability to mutate itself or we will be in this position again a few years after teh vaccine is developed
German soccer league is coming back. Still 3 months until training camp.
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Originally posted by dj43:
Whether or not there is a league season looks more and more like it will largely depend on what Gavin Newsom allows here in California. Louisiana and New York/New Jersey will be in play also but Newsom looks like he has the tightest hand. One of his conditions is near 100% testing AND a vaccine.

Researchers are going flat out to create a vaccine. The fact C19 is similar to SARS and MERS is of some help because they know a good bit about how the crown protein works. The problem is coming with a method of blocking it. Vaccines for viruses are not easy to attain. Will they be able to prevent infection or just reduce the severity? How long will the vaccine last? All of these are questions that will take a long time to answer. If Newsom wants a fail-safe vaccine before he allow California teams to practice/play, then kiss off the season.

Or will they stop you infecting others if you get the virus? What I think is fair to say is that there will not be a vaccine in time to save this season if that is the only thing needed to save the season.

The other option is to quarantine all teams including all coaches and support staff for the season. But that would be a massive exercise and would have issues with compliance and practicality.
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Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by dj43:
Whether or not there is a league season looks more and more like it will largely depend on what Gavin Newsom allows here in California. Louisiana and New York/New Jersey will be in play also but Newsom looks like he has the tightest hand. One of his conditions is near 100% testing AND a vaccine.

Researchers are going flat out to create a vaccine. The fact C19 is similar to SARS and MERS is of some help because they know a good bit about how the crown protein works. The problem is coming with a method of blocking it. Vaccines for viruses are not easy to attain. Will they be able to prevent infection or just reduce the severity? How long will the vaccine last? All of these are questions that will take a long time to answer. If Newsom wants a fail-safe vaccine before he allow California teams to practice/play, then kiss off the season.

Its an RNA Virus so unfortunately it does mutate often however it doesnt seem to be mutating as fast as other RNA viruses. But the common flu needs a new vaccine every year because the amount of mutations.

We have to find the vaccine and vaccine everyone so the virus will not have the ability to mutate itself or we will be in this position again a few years after teh vaccine is developed

It could also mutate itself into harmlessness as well. Mutations can go both ways.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
German soccer league is coming back. Still 3 months until training camp.

no spectators
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
German soccer league is coming back. Still 3 months until training camp.

no spectators

Which may be the case for the NFL, too.
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Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
German soccer league is coming back. Still 3 months until training camp.

no spectators

Which may be the case for the NFL, too.

NFL owners will not let that happen. It will cost them million$$$$ of on-site ad revenue. Perhaps they could renegotiate those contracts but that means the revenue stream to pay player salaries is cut...which means CBA is no longer valid.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
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no spectators

Which may be the case for the NFL, too.

NFL owners will not let that happen. It will cost them million$$$$ of on-site ad revenue. Perhaps they could renegotiate those contracts but that means the revenue stream to pay player salaries is cut...which means CBA is no longer valid.

So I am coming from a place of ignorance, not a place of challenging you here dj....

But dont other sports leagues have contracts and CBA type deals too? There are leagues operating now (or soon) that will be playing with no fans. Why is the NFL different than these sports? Is it just the amount of money that the NFL deals with in regards to the other leagues? Because the other leagues dont seem to be having issues getting around the idea that on-site revenue will be lost.
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by captveg:
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Which may be the case for the NFL, too.

NFL owners will not let that happen. It will cost them million$$$$ of on-site ad revenue. Perhaps they could renegotiate those contracts but that means the revenue stream to pay player salaries is cut...which means CBA is no longer valid.

So I am coming from a place of ignorance, not a place of challenging you here dj....

But dont other sports leagues have contracts and CBA type deals too? There are leagues operating now (or soon) that will be playing with no fans. Why is the NFL different than these sports? Is it just the amount of money that the NFL deals with in regards to the other leagues? Because the other leagues dont seem to be having issues getting around the idea that on-site revenue will be lost.

What? You challenge me? May it never happen!!!

I'm not sure I have THE answer but I have AN answer.

Other leagues, with many more home games, are betting that fans will be allowed back into their home venue in time to make up for the lost revenue of a few games at the beginning of the season. The NFL, OTOH, with only 8 real games (plus two throwaway PS games that few people attend) in which to promote the product of their numerous on-site sponsors, do not have that leeway. Every single game is critical to their business plan and revenue stream. Yes, they would still have their share of the TV market but that is largely operating capital. The profit is in the stuff they show and sell in their home venue.

Last week I read on NFL.com that two owners had anonymously stated that to give up fans at two home games would cost them $100,000,000! That sounds high and it may be smoke to protect their position, however, I bet it is closer to reality than we might think. The NFL is a HUGE enterprise. I just checked one site that claims the NFL grossed over $16BILLION in 2018. Owners are not going to give up any of that willingly. They have ginormous investments in their franchise and they will have to be drug kicking and screaming to unlock the gates if there are no fans allowed. Just my opinion...
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by dj43:
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NFL owners will not let that happen. It will cost them million$$$$ of on-site ad revenue. Perhaps they could renegotiate those contracts but that means the revenue stream to pay player salaries is cut...which means CBA is no longer valid.

So I am coming from a place of ignorance, not a place of challenging you here dj....

But dont other sports leagues have contracts and CBA type deals too? There are leagues operating now (or soon) that will be playing with no fans. Why is the NFL different than these sports? Is it just the amount of money that the NFL deals with in regards to the other leagues? Because the other leagues dont seem to be having issues getting around the idea that on-site revenue will be lost.

What? You challenge me? May it never happen!!!

I'm not sure I have THE answer but I have AN answer.

Other leagues, with many more home games, are betting that fans will be allowed back into their home venue in time to make up for the lost revenue of a few games at the beginning of the season. The NFL, OTOH, with only 8 real games (plus two throwaway PS games that few people attend) in which to promote the product of their numerous on-site sponsors, do not have that leeway. Every single game is critical to their business plan and revenue stream. Yes, they would still have their share of the TV market but that is largely operating capital. The profit is in the stuff they show and sell in their home venue.

Last week I read on NFL.com that two owners had anonymously stated that to give up fans at two home games would cost them $100,000,000! That sounds high and it may be smoke to protect their position, however, I bet it is closer to reality than we might think. The NFL is a HUGE enterprise. I just checked one site that claims the NFL grossed over $16BILLION in 2018. Owners are not going to give up any of that willingly. They have ginormous investments in their franchise and they will have to be drug kicking and screaming to unlock the gates if there are no fans allowed. Just my opinion...

Well how much would they gross by getting a stadium 80% full? Less over heads I cant see it being $100 million. It must include a lot of add ons like merchandise, hotdog revenue, tv rights etc?
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Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
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So I am coming from a place of ignorance, not a place of challenging you here dj....

But dont other sports leagues have contracts and CBA type deals too? There are leagues operating now (or soon) that will be playing with no fans. Why is the NFL different than these sports? Is it just the amount of money that the NFL deals with in regards to the other leagues? Because the other leagues dont seem to be having issues getting around the idea that on-site revenue will be lost.

What? You challenge me? May it never happen!!!

I'm not sure I have THE answer but I have AN answer.

Other leagues, with many more home games, are betting that fans will be allowed back into their home venue in time to make up for the lost revenue of a few games at the beginning of the season. The NFL, OTOH, with only 8 real games (plus two throwaway PS games that few people attend) in which to promote the product of their numerous on-site sponsors, do not have that leeway. Every single game is critical to their business plan and revenue stream. Yes, they would still have their share of the TV market but that is largely operating capital. The profit is in the stuff they show and sell in their home venue.

Last week I read on NFL.com that two owners had anonymously stated that to give up fans at two home games would cost them $100,000,000! That sounds high and it may be smoke to protect their position, however, I bet it is closer to reality than we might think. The NFL is a HUGE enterprise. I just checked one site that claims the NFL grossed over $16BILLION in 2018. Owners are not going to give up any of that willingly. They have ginormous investments in their franchise and they will have to be drug kicking and screaming to unlock the gates if there are no fans allowed. Just my opinion...

Well how much would they gross by getting a stadium 80% full? Less over heads I cant see it being $100 million. It must include a lot of add ons like merchandise, hotdog revenue, tv rights etc?
As I think back over it, that figure has to be a league-wide figure, not single team numbers.
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