Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wow I'm losing, didn't know we were keeping score. WTF is this a kids game. smfh

I'm losing because clean up sacks overrate Buckner?? I mean if that's the case every interior lineman listed is overrated, or are you gonna tell me they also don't have clean up sacks??

You just learned what a clean up sack is. I laughed when I saw that you put it in quotes as if it wasn't a real thing and something the poster made up. Maybe I phrased the winning losing thing wrong but I disagree with your perspective more than the other guy who was just going off of pure facts rather than fanboy allegence. I wasn't even trying to get into a debate with you on this. You tried to call dude out for only watching a video and not the games. It was a lousy argument to try and prove you're more of a fan. That s**t is annoying because anyone on here must be a fan otherwise they wouldn't be here.

I didn't just learn what a clean up sack is. No, I wasn't just calling him out cause he only watched the highlight video now, I'm calling his post out because he's just trying to use PFF and one highlight video (against Buckner) to push his agenda. Again, if the whole D-line is dominant the term clean up sacks is a weak argument to try and justify why Buckner is overrated. Like I said, if that's the case wouldn't all interior lineman be overrated, wait no, because not all interior D-lineman are ex-9ers.

You just learned what a clean up sack is. I laughed when I saw that you put it in quotes as if it wasn't a real thing and something the poster made up.

I'm losing because clean up sacks overrate Buckner?? I mean if that's the case every interior lineman listed is overrated, or are you gonna tell me they also don't have clean up sacks??

Originally posted by RasSuar:

I'm losing because clean up sacks overrate Buckner?? I mean if that's the case every interior lineman listed is overrated, or are you gonna tell me they also don't have clean up sacks??

Getting personal I see. All good.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wow I'm losing, didn't know we were keeping score. WTF is this a kids game. smfh

I'm losing because clean up sacks overrate Buckner?? I mean if that's the case every interior lineman listed is overrated, or are you gonna tell me they also don't have clean up sacks??

You just learned what a clean up sack is. I laughed when I saw that you put it in quotes as if it wasn't a real thing and something the poster made up. Maybe I phrased the winning losing thing wrong but I disagree with your perspective more than the other guy who was just going off of pure facts rather than fanboy allegence. I wasn't even trying to get into a debate with you on this. You tried to call dude out for only watching a video and not the games. It was a lousy argument to try and prove you're more of a fan. That s**t is annoying because anyone on here must be a fan otherwise they wouldn't be here.

I guess you missed the point. Thanks for your input bro!

Kinda late on that edit. You mad.

I didn't just learn what a clean up sack is.

What a total backtrack. If you're going to be intellectually dishonest you should stop because its one thing to just be wrong or unaware, but its another to straight out lie in bad faith. Every who saw your original post could see you distinctly put "clean up sack" in quotations to question the term's meaning.

I'm calling his post out because he's just trying to use PFF and one highlight video (against Buckner) to push his agenda

1. LOL @ claiming I have an "agenda".
2. Only one here with an "agenda" is you and its a homer's agenda.
3. PFF analysts spend more time analyzing Buckner's career snap by snap then you probably spend watching football in a year.
4. That "one video" was Buckner's best career season in terms of sacks.

Again, if the whole D-line is dominant the term clean up sacks is a weak argument to try and justify why Buckner is overrated. Like I said, if that's the case wouldn't all interior lineman be overrated, wait no, because not all interior D-lineman are ex-9ers.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

I didn't just learn what a clean up sack is. No, I wasn't just calling him out cause he only watched the highlight video now, I'm calling his post out because he's just trying to use PFF and one highlight video (against Buckner) to push his agenda. Again, if the whole D-line is dominant the term clean up sacks is a weak argument to try and justify why Buckner is overrated. Like I said, if that's the case wouldn't all interior lineman be overrated, wait no, because not all interior D-lineman are ex-9ers.

Buckners winning percentage against double teams is 18th in the league. That's far from dominate. His pay is second highest at his position. I think he is overpaid. I also think he is overrated. Just because he was the best D lineman on the team until last year doesn't mean he was elite. If he played his whole career on the Colts he would not be as highly regarded as he is by most on this board. I really liked him, much more than Armstead. I was upset to see him go. They pay didn't line up with the production. The Colts overpaid by a long shot, especially when you factor in the first round pick

Getting personal I see. All good.

Not personal at all. I am stating an increasingly evident fact.

Its becoming clear you really just don't get the point we're making.

But that's fine. Homer shades are strong and can shield people from the objective truth.

Yeah, I agree, clean up sacks are both a real and fake thing and based off this hypothetically real stat Kinlaw (who this thread is supposed to be about) is both over and underrated based on every snap he has taken in the NFL so far 😉

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Kinda late on that edit. You mad.

No I'm good bro. I edited immediately after. You must have been refreshing like a mofo to get to it so quick. Anxious for rebuttal?

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I didn't just learn what a clean up sack is. No, I wasn't just calling him out cause he only watched the highlight video now, I'm calling his post out because he's just trying to use PFF and one highlight video (against Buckner) to push his agenda. Again, if the whole D-line is dominant the term clean up sacks is a weak argument to try and justify why Buckner is overrated. Like I said, if that's the case wouldn't all interior lineman be overrated, wait no, because not all interior D-lineman are ex-9ers.

Buckners winning percentage against double teams is 18th in the league. That's far from dominate. His pay is second highest at his position. I think he is overpaid. I also think he is overrated. Just because he was the best D lineman on the team until last year doesn't mean he was elite. If he played his whole career on the Colts he would not be as highly regarded as he is by most on this board. I really liked him, much more than Armstead. I was upset to see him go. They pay didn't line up with the production. The Colts overpaid by a long shot, especially when you factor in the first round pick

You fail to see the total amount of snaps from one D-lineman to the next, which also inflates ones winning percentage.

And if he was still a 49er he would be still highly regarded, check the beginning of the Buckner thread to see if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Getting personal I see. All good.

Not personal at all. I am stating an increasingly evident fact.

Its becoming clear you really just don't get the point we're making.

But that's fine. Homer shades are strong and can shield people from the objective truth.

Homer, far from it. Matter of I'm the last person you should say that about. I've criticized a lot of players on this team and hoped some were cut or released. For instance Jimmy Ward, but save for another thread.

Buckners winning percentage against double teams is 18th in the league.

When I told him this exact same thing based on the chart he presented the guy told me I read it wrong.

He has to be a lowgrade troll or a really mad Buckner homer.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Buckners winning percentage against double teams is 18th in the league.

When I told him this exact same thing based on the chart he presented the guy told me I read it wrong.

He has to be a lowgrade troll or a really mad Buckner homer.

He's been around for a long time. Definitely not a troll. I'm sure he's a good dude. Just has a difference of opinion

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Homer, far from it.

Nah, you sound like a Buckner homer.

Or maybe you're just a bad troll who reaching for an argument...