Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Getting personal I see. All good.

Not personal at all. I am stating an increasingly evident fact.

Its becoming clear you really just don't get the point we're making.

But that's fine. Homer shades are strong and can shield people from the objective truth.

Only point you're making is you think Buckner is overrated because he has some clean up sacks. I agree he does, but the point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't make up his whole game. And agree or disagree, all D-lineman have clean up sacks?? Some have more or less, then again some play more snaps than the other.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Homer, far from it.

Nah, you sound like a Buckner homer.

Or maybe you're just a bad troll who reaching for an argument...

Wow I'm the troll. I can dig it. Anything else??

So how's Kinlaw doing so far? This is the Kinlaw thread right?

Originally posted by braap49er:

So how's Kinlaw doing so far? This is the Kinlaw thread right?

Seems like he is already a better player than Buckner.

Originally posted by braap49er:
So how's Kinlaw doing so far? This is the Kinlaw thread right?

Can't wait to see him, this homer is rooting for him!!!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

You fail to see the total amount of snaps from one D-lineman to the next, which also inflates ones winning percentage.

And if he was still a 49er he would be still highly regarded, check the beginning of the Buckner thread to see if I'm wrong.

That's why it's a percentage not a counting stat. The guy could have 100 double team snaps or 200. The percentage he wins is still reflected the same. Unless it's a small sample size. It's not. Everyone on that list had 100+ I think. I'm not looking at it right now to verify

Just has a difference of opinion

The chart he presented literally numbered Buckner 18th on a list for win percentage among interior defensive linemen who were double teamed the most in NFL and he told me I read the chart wrong for saying he was ranked 18th.

Either he can't read a chart or he's a troll.

And either way, his argument is a fail. Why he continues to defend is beyond me.

Originally posted by JimmyWhy:

Originally posted by braap49er:
So how's Kinlaw doing so far? This is the Kinlaw thread right?

Seems like he is already a better player than Buckner.

Don't wanna sound like a homer but I'm hoping he is.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by braap49er:

So how's Kinlaw doing so far? This is the Kinlaw thread right?

Can't wait to see him, this homer is rooting for him!!!

Same!

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
You fail to see the total amount of snaps from one D-lineman to the next, which also inflates ones winning percentage.

And if he was still a 49er he would be still highly regarded, check the beginning of the Buckner thread to see if I'm wrong.

That's why it's a percentage not a counting stat. The guy could have 100 double team snaps or 200. The percentage he wins is still reflected the same. Unless it's a small sample size. It's not. Everyone on that list had 100+ I think. I'm not looking at it right now to verify

Buckner, from another list was the 9th most double teamed with 268 snaps. I mean if Buckner was doubled 268 times to Bosa only 50 times but won 30, wouldn't his rate be higher?? Pretty much what I'm getting at.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

Just has a difference of opinion

The chart he presented literally numbered Buckner 18th on a list for win percentage among interior defensive linemen who were double teamed the most in NFL and he told me I read the chart wrong for saying he was ranked 18th.

Either he can't read a chart or he's a troll.

And either way, his argument is a fail. Why he continues to defend is beyond me.

Still taking shots at me, you're so cool bro.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Buckner, from another list was the 9th most double teamed with 268 snaps. I mean if Buckner was doubled 268 times to Bosa only 50 times but won 30, wouldn't his rate be higher?? Pretty much what I'm getting at.

No it's a percentage. The amount of snaps make no difference. If it's 100 snaps or 200 snaps it doesn't matter. How often does he win.

Put it this way. If he wins 10% of the time on 100 snaps that's 10 wins. If he wins 10% of the time on 200 snaps that's 20 wins. He's still only winning 10% of the time

Only point you're making is you think Buckner is overrated because he has some clean up sacks. I agree he does, but the point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't make up his whole game

So now you agree on this point? A few posts ago you were questioning what clean up sacks were, arguing I was wrong and had an "agenda" for saying the exact same thing you're conceding here. My, how you've had to backtrack.

but the point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't make up his whole game

No one said clean sacks made up Buckner's "whole game" as a pass rusher, so who are you arguing against here? PFF and I showed they made up 57% of his career sack total. My video breakdown showed they made up 7 out of 12 of his total sacks in 2018.

Some have more or less, then again some play more snaps than the other.

Yes, and some like Buckner have more clean up sacks than sacks they generate off their own pressure. But the elite of the elite Buckner wants to be paid like don't. And this is why we he's overhyped for the money he commanded.

Buckner is not over hyped. He is one of the best defensive linemen, who made our DL better--a load for any OL.

JK has the potential to be one of the best quickly. A super-sized LB who is able to toss OL and scoot.