Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Watch soccer or something you can actually understand. Buckner wasn't good his rookie season. Chris Jones was horrible his rookie season. Sacks are not the ultimate meaurement for DT. Don't talk about topics you are clueless.

Oh were you thinking I was being sarcastic? No seriously 4 sacks is solid for a run stuffing DT in a rookie year I don't think Buckner will have 15 sacks but he's capable of 10+ Im actually in favor of the switch from the cap space perspective. Shouldn't get so butthurt and start attacking your 9er brethren calling then incomprehensible and clueless. From what I remember Buckner was really solid his rookie season

"Buckner wasn't good his rookie season"....that's patently untrue.

Buckner finished his rookie year with 73 tackles, six sacks, two fumble recoveries, and a pass deflection in 15 games and starts. He led all NFL defensive lineman with 1,108 snaps on the season and ranked second with his 73 tackles.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Watch soccer or something you can actually understand. Buckner wasn't good his rookie season. Chris Jones was horrible his rookie season. Sacks are not the ultimate meaurement for DT. Don't talk about topics you are clueless.

Oh were you thinking I was being sarcastic? No seriously 4 sacks is solid for a run stuffing DT in a rookie year I don't think Buckner will have 15 sacks but he's capable of 10+ Im actually in favor of the switch from the cap space perspective. Shouldn't get so butthurt and start attacking your 9er brethren calling then incomprehensible and clueless. From what I remember Buckner was really solid his rookie season

"Buckner wasn't good his rookie season"....that's patently untrue.

Buckner finished his rookie year with 73 tackles, six sacks, two fumble recoveries, and a pass deflection in 15 games and starts. He led all NFL defensive lineman with 1,108 snaps on the season and ranked second with his 73 tackles.

BUCKO was GOOD as a rookie... he was NOT a Stubblefield or a BYoung, but he was good. ...

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

Buckner had the same issues Kinlaw has right now. A physical freak with terrible technique coming out of college. He started his rookie season with bad hand placement, pad level, etc. He wasn't a technician and had a rough year, remember that season we had the worst defense in franchise history. There were times Buckner was winning because he was playing lesser competition or he was just stronger and still creating pressure with brute force. He didn't have anyone around him to help him and the coaching staff with Chip Kelly had no idea what they were doing.
Kinlaw is the same kind of prospect but he is arriving in an exponentially better situation than Buckner did. A SuperBowl contending team, a DL stacked with studs and a great coaching staff. I expect him to finish the season with something around 5 sacks, decent pressure, good run stopping skills and a solid grade around 65 or 70. He will be rotating with Jones, Thomas, Street and Taylor or Givens.

Isn't that what I just said? I don't sit here and read every post but it seems like 80% of people here are in favor of the move yet 80% of the posts are complaining about people that were opposed to the trade/pick. I know what an anchor DT is and what to expect and yeah I also know that not every rookie 1st round pick defensive lineman is going to be Nick Bosa with technique coming out of college calm down

Jesus why are we still talking about Buckner in this thread?

Bucker played as a rookie on a really bad roster. We don't need Kinlaw to be Buckner(even as a rookie) to be successful as a defense.

Originally posted by genus49:
Jesus why are we still talking about Buckner in this thread?

Bucker played as a rookie on a really bad roster. We don't need Kinlaw to be Buckner(even as a rookie) to be successful as a defense.

Shhh it's getting good.

Buckner will be talked about all season long. Get used to it.

FWIW Buckner with 7th overall,...so that's twice as high as our DT prospect we selected this year that would've went no higher than 14th if we took someone else. Buckner was clearly the better prospect, which is why he was taken much higher, and so it should be to no surprise that he may pan out to be the better player early on. Doesn't take much of a genius.

And I don't care if he's raw, frozen, canned, or fresh. Just want good play out of him ASAP and the avoidance of being a bust. No need for the training camp anointments of what you knew he was all along (that arent really saying anything btw) every time a new practice report comes out. How bout we get to a game 1 first? We can use those to see what's what and take credit for what we knew.

I know Solomon Thomas has people waking up in cold sweats,...and rightfully so,...but don't put his failures on this kid's shoulders.

I think his "struggles" are being exaggerated. I still expect he will be productive from day 1. I think we'll see 4-6 sacks.

Originally posted by random49er:

Buckner will be talked about all season long. Get used to it.

FWIW Buckner with 7th overall,...so that's twice as high as our DT prospect we selected this year that would've went no higher than 14th if we took someone else. Buckner was clearly the better prospect and so it should be to no surprise that he may pan out to be the better player early on. Doesn't take much of a genius.

And I don't care if he's raw, frozen, canned, or fresh. Just want good play out of him ASAP and the avoidance of being a bust. No need for the training camp anointments (that arent really saying anything btw) every time a new practice report comes out. We can use the actual games to see what's what.

I know Solomon Thomas has people waking up in cold sweats,...and rightfully so,...but don't put his failures on this kid's shoulders.

I think it's more him filling Buckners shadow than ST the thing is they are two different kind of players at the same position. I'm not worried about Kinlaw we are on point drafting DL and LBs even though ST has been a bit of a bust hes not bad I have to go back to Kentwan Balmer and Eli Harold the last time we drafted busts even our later round picks at those positions have been real solid

On the pass rush, we just need Kinlaw to push the pocket enough that the QB has less space to step up in the pocket so Bosa/Ford don't have to turn a tight corner. That won't show up on any stat sheet but let's look for that when the QB is pressured.

Originally posted by thl408:
On the pass rush, we just need Kinlaw to push the pocket enough that the QB has less space to step up in the pocket so Bosa/Ford don't have to turn a tight corner. That won't show up on any stat sheet but let's look for that when the QB is pressured.

Yup. That's what I'm hoping too.

Buckner did a good job of getting to the QB with double swipe move but he never had a great bull rush. At the very least, I expect Kinlaw to push the pocket enough to help Bosa and Ford.

Originally posted by btthepunk:
I think his "struggles" are being exaggerated. I still expect he will be productive from day 1. I think we'll see 4-6 sacks.

Agree. Dana was round 1, pick 26. Kinlaw was picked higher, so he should be more productive than Dana was in his first year.

Seriously though, Dana walked into a similar situation (in a sense) that Kinlaw is walking into right now. The year before Dana was drafted, the team went 14-2, and Dana played next to Michael Carter, Dennis Brown and Ted Washington when Dana was a rookie, so the Dana Stubblefield comparison has some similarities to Kinlaw's situation.

Originally posted by thl408:
On the pass rush, we just need Kinlaw to push the pocket enough that the QB has less space to step up in the pocket so Bosa/Ford don't have to turn a tight corner. That won't show up on any stat sheet but let's look for that when the QB is pressured.

Spot on.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:
On the pass rush, we just need Kinlaw to push the pocket enough that the QB has less space to step up in the pocket so Bosa/Ford don't have to turn a tight corner. That won't show up on any stat sheet but let's look for that when the QB is pressured.

Yup. That's what I'm hoping too.

Buckner did a good job of getting to the QB with double swipe move but he never had a great bull rush. At the very least, I expect Kinlaw to push the pocket enough to help Bosa and Ford.

When Buckner won, it was clean and immediate (that arm over, double swipe move). But in a way it was all or nothing type of pressure. I'd like Kinlaw to (eventually) contribute pressure in a more consistent manner with push straight into the QB's face. It's the type of pressure that may not lead to sacks because the QB sees it coming and moves, but that's where edge pressure comes in to mop up. Speaking of mop up, I will miss Buckner's sack celebration. I thought it was very fitting for a sack celebration.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. Dana was round 1, pick 26. Kinlaw was picked higher, so he should be more productive than Dana was in his first year.

Seriously though, Dana walked into a similar situation (in a sense) that Kinlaw is walking into right now. The year before Dana was drafted, the team went 14-2, and Dana played next to Michael Carter, Dennis Brown and Ted Washington when Dana was a rookie, so the Dana Stubblefield comparison has some similarities to Kinlaw's situation.

Lol you're obviously joking but yea,...Stubb was seriously overlooked by alot of teams. We drafted him and Todd Kelly back to back IIRC, right? So sometimes you just get lucky when it comes to the draft,...let's be honest.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:
On the pass rush, we just need Kinlaw to push the pocket enough that the QB has less space to step up in the pocket so Bosa/Ford don't have to turn a tight corner. That won't show up on any stat sheet but let's look for that when the QB is pressured.

Yup. That's what I'm hoping too.

Buckner did a good job of getting to the QB with double swipe move but he never had a great bull rush. At the very least, I expect Kinlaw to push the pocket enough to help Bosa and Ford.

When Buckner won, it was clean and immediate (that arm over, double swipe move). But in a way it was all or nothing type of pressure. I'd like Kinlaw to (eventually) contribute pressure in a more consistent manner with push straight into the QB's face. It's the type of pressure that may not lead to sacks because the QB sees it coming and moves, but that's where edge pressure comes in to mop up. Speaking of mop up, I will miss Buckner's sack celebration. I thought it was very fitting for a sack celebration.

Agreed.

Sadly my favorite sack celebration was Aldon Smith's running to the bench. Everything else just seems kinda corny to me.