Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SFrush:
SMH Calling him a two down player because he's not consistently playing 70-80 percent of the snaps like Buckner did is a flawed argument.

No, I'm calling him a 2 down player because he's taking roughly (less than) 66% of the defensive snaps which is 2 of 3 snaps.

But that isn't the definition of two down player with regards to DL. A two down DL comes off the field on 3rd downs... this kid has been getting plenty of 3rd down opportunities.

I don't see what the problem is with Kinlaw playing 60 some percent of the defensive snaps.

Yeah that was my definition of a two down DL.

LOL. Given it's a passing league, every down is a passing down. I've always focused on the correlated snap counts. Define it however you'd like but, math. Hell, break those snaps down by the splits on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down for all I care. I want my #15 on every down minus the occasional rotation. He's not a 1T. He's a 3T.

It may be a passing league but every down is certainly not a passing down. No one wants to be one dimensional.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SFrush:

SMH Calling him a two down player because he's not consistently playing 70-80 percent of the snaps like Buckner did is a flawed argument.

No, I'm calling him a 2 down player because he's taking roughly (less than) 66% of the defensive snaps which is 2 of 3 snaps.

But that isn't the definition of two down player with regards to DL. A two down DL comes off the field on 3rd downs... this kid has been getting plenty of 3rd down opportunities.

I don't see what the problem is with Kinlaw playing 60 some percent of the defensive snaps.

Yeah that was my definition of a two down DL.

LOL. Given it's a passing league, every down is a passing down. I've always focused on the correlated snap counts. Define it however you'd like but, math. Hell, break those snaps down by the splits on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down for all I care. I want my #15 on every down minus the occasional rotation. He's not a 1T. He's a 3T.

It may be a passing league but every down is certainly not a passing down. No one wants to be one dimensional.

Yeah, it's crazy. I never understood the two base run defensive packages and then nickel and dime on 3rd downs. It doesn't match what NFL offenses do at all. For instance, last year, the highest rushing team on first down was Greg Roman's Ravens (47.71%). The next closest one was 38%. Our offense was the 4th highest at 36%.

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. Given it's a passing league, every down is a passing down. I've always focused on the correlated snap counts. Define it however you'd like but, math. Hell, break those snaps down by the splits on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down for all I care. I want my #15 on every down minus the occasional rotation. He's not a 1T. He's a 3T.

He is also a rookie who came into the league a little raw unlike Nick Bosa. Kocurek decides the rotations on the DL and is the one who was banging the table for us to draft him. If Kocurek wants him to play 60 some percent of the snaps while he is developing right now, what makes him wrong in his approach?

KK is the teacher that is teaching the pupil. I'm going to defer to the coach with this kid and not what us as fans "want". I think the teacher knows a little more than we all do.

Whatever happened to patience?

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. Given it's a passing league, every down is a passing down. I've always focused on the correlated snap counts. Define it however you'd like but, math. Hell, break those snaps down by the splits on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down for all I care. I want my #15 on every down minus the occasional rotation. He's not a 1T. He's a 3T.

He is also a rookie who came into the league a little raw unlike Nick Bosa. Kocurek decides the rotations on the DL and is the one who was banging the table for us to draft him. If Kocurek wants him to play 60 some percent of the snaps while he is developing right now, what makes him wrong in his approach?

KK is the teacher that is teaching the pupil. I'm going to defer to the coach with this kid and not what us as fans "want". I think the teacher knows a little more than we all do.

Whatever happened to patience?

But you've been saying the same thing for 10 weeks now. How many snaps did Buckner play in his rookie season?

Now, naturally, he's going to hit a rookie wall for a few weeks but like last week, he pushed through it. Now it's a bye-week. After the bye-week, there's no more excuses.

That should be a win win because of the expedited experience and growth and his stats should start to climb too.

I know Saleh loves Givens but it's time to take the training wheels off and let the kid develop. He's not a rookie LT that'll get your QB killed. He's a 3T and this is a passing league and that's the area he needs to develop in. Run too at times.

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

Originally posted by NCommand:

But you've been saying the same thing for 10 weeks now. How many snaps did Buckner play in his rookie season?

Now, naturally, he's going to hit a rookie wall for a few weeks but like last week, he pushed through it. Now it's a bye-week. After the bye-week, there's no more excuses.

That should be a win win because of the expedited experience and growth and his stats should start to climb too.

I know Saleh loves Givens but it's time to take the training wheels off and let the kid develop. He's not a rookie LT that'll get your QB killed. He's a 3T and this is a passing league and that's the area he needs to develop in. Run too at times.

No I haven't, I haven't posted much at all in NT over the last 10 weeks.

Aldon Smith didn't play most snaps as a rookie, he was used as part of the rotation. Buckner did yes, but different coaches mean different ways of teaching and not every player needs the same type of teaching.

Do you not trust Kocurek with developing a top 15 DT? Patience is a virtue and fans need to learn to trust the process.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

But you've been saying the same thing for 10 weeks now. How many snaps did Buckner play in his rookie season?

Now, naturally, he's going to hit a rookie wall for a few weeks but like last week, he pushed through it. Now it's a bye-week. After the bye-week, there's no more excuses.

That should be a win win because of the expedited experience and growth and his stats should start to climb too.

I know Saleh loves Givens but it's time to take the training wheels off and let the kid develop. He's not a rookie LT that'll get your QB killed. He's a 3T and this is a passing league and that's the area he needs to develop in. Run too at times.

No I haven't, I haven't posted much at all in NT over the last 10 weeks.

Aldon Smith didn't play most snaps as a rookie, he was used as part of the rotation. Buckner did yes, but different coaches mean different ways of teaching and not every player needs the same type of teaching.

Do you not trust Kocurek with developing a top 15 DT? Patience is a virtue and fans need to learn to trust the process.

Aldon?

No issues bringing him along slowly. Just pointing out the facts and noting what I'd like to see now after the bye-week. No harm in this pre season, season.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Kris Kocurek disagrees.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Kris Kocurek disagrees.

Not last year when Buckner had over 800 snaps in a 'down' year. I highly doubt the plan was for their #15 pick to be a 2 of 3 down player. But ya'll can justify anything so...LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

His snaps are just fine and in line with where they should be as an unpolished rookie. . You are pushing a narrative right now because you wanted someone else at 14/15

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

His snaps are just fine and in line with where they should be as an unpolished rookie. . You are pushing a narrative right now because you wanted someone else at 14/15

Seriously? You're cool with his snap count of 62% the rest of the year? GTFO here.

That's like you guys getting a 1K snap Dee Ford from KC and then quickly moving your standards to, "Well, as long as he's productive on 3rd downs."

Fans.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

His snaps are just fine and in line with where they should be as an unpolished rookie. . You are pushing a narrative right now because you wanted someone else at 14/15

Still not sure why those snaps need to be exactly at 80 percent anyway. Fangio got flack for not using a steady rotation in the past. Now we have depth and we're finally using a rotation keeping guys fresh. I don't see the problem.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

His snaps are just fine and in line with where they should be as an unpolished rookie. . You are pushing a narrative right now because you wanted someone else at 14/15

Still not sure why those snaps need to be exactly at 80 percent anyway. Fangio got flack for not using a steady rotation in the past. Now we have depth and we're finally using a rotation keeping guys fresh. I don't see the problem.

Because your 3T is your primary inside pass rusher in a W9 (in a passing league). Are you cool with Bosa only playing 62%? Hell no!

The lowest Bosa played in any game as a rookie was 73%.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

His snaps are just fine and in line with where they should be as an unpolished rookie. . You are pushing a narrative right now because you wanted someone else at 14/15

Seriously? You're cool with his snap count of 62% the rest of the year? GTFO here.

That's like you guys getting a 1K snap Dee Ford from KC and then quickly moving your standards to, "Well, as long as he's productive on 3rd downs."

Fans.

Again, you are being completely disingenuous here, and really have been for a while. Repeatedly saying he's losing snaps to Givens when that was just outright false lol. Comparing his snap counts to all pros? Gtfo with this nonsense. He's got the highest snap counts on the team for a interior DL on this team as an unpolished rookie ....by a large margin. But by all means keep pushing this 2 down narrative because they didn't draft who you wanted lol