Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

His snaps are just fine and in line with where they should be as an unpolished rookie. . You are pushing a narrative right now because you wanted someone else at 14/15

Seriously? You're cool with his snap count of 62% the rest of the year? GTFO here.

That's like you guys getting a 1K snap Dee Ford from KC and then quickly moving your standards to, "Well, as long as he's productive on 3rd downs."

Fans.

Again, you are being completely disingenuous here, and really have been for a while. Repeatedly saying he's losing snaps to Givens when that was just outright false lol. Comparing his snap counts to all pros? Gtfo with this nonsense. He's got the highest snap counts on the team for a interior DL on this team as an unpolished rookie ....by a large margin. But by all means keep pushing this 2 down narrative because they didn't draft who you wanted lol

I compared him to a rookie above. Edited.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Kris Kocurek disagrees.

Not last year when Buckner had over 800 snaps in a 'down' year. I highly doubt the plan was for their #15 pick to be a 2 of 3 down player. But ya'll can justify anything so...LOL

Buckner wasn't a rookie.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Because your 3T is your primary inside pass rusher in a W9 (in a passing league). Are you cool with Bosa only playing 62%? Hell no!

The lowest Bosa played in any game as a rookie was 73%.

Bosa was super polished, Kinlaw was a lot more raw by comparison.

Quinnen Williams played about 60% (give or take) of his team's defensive snaps weekly last year. And Aaron Donald played 67% of the Rams defensive snaps as a rookie.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Kris Kocurek disagrees.

Not last year when Buckner had over 800 snaps in a 'down' year. I highly doubt the plan was for their #15 pick to be a 2 of 3 down player. But ya'll can justify anything so...LOL

Buckner wasn't a rookie.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Because your 3T is your primary inside pass rusher in a W9 (in a passing league). Are you cool with Bosa only playing 62%? Hell no!

The lowest Bosa played in any game as a rookie was 73%.

Bosa was super polished, Kinlaw was a lot more raw by comparison.

Quinnen Williams played about 60% (give or take) of his team's defensive snaps weekly last year. And Aaron Donald played 67% of the Rams defensive snaps as a rookie.

Buckner had 1,005 snaps his rookie year.

We have 4 wins. 90% of the roster is on I.R.

So we sit a raw rookie who's playing fine? I'm sure he'll learn a lot more on the bench.

PS: Even the "raw" AA averaged 75% of the snaps in his rookie year.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Kris Kocurek disagrees.

Not last year when Buckner had over 800 snaps in a 'down' year. I highly doubt the plan was for their #15 pick to be a 2 of 3 down player. But ya'll can justify anything so...LOL

Buckner wasn't a rookie.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Because your 3T is your primary inside pass rusher in a W9 (in a passing league). Are you cool with Bosa only playing 62%? Hell no!

The lowest Bosa played in any game as a rookie was 73%.

Bosa was super polished, Kinlaw was a lot more raw by comparison.

Quinnen Williams played about 60% (give or take) of his team's defensive snaps weekly last year. And Aaron Donald played 67% of the Rams defensive snaps as a rookie.

Buckner had 1,005 snaps his rookie year.

We have 4 wins. 90% of the roster is on I.R.

So we sit a raw rookie who's playing fine? I'm sure he'll learn a lot more on the bench.

He isn't sitting, he is playing.

And Buckner was coached up as a rookie by a different coach. Different teachers have different approaches and methods and different ways of teaching. As previously mentioned Aaron Donald and QW were given lighter loads in terms of snaps as rookies much like Kinlaw.

There is no surefire "it has to be done like this" approach that one MUST follow.

So what exactly is wrong with KK's approach and why is it wrong? What proof is there that increasing the snap count will be a more effective approach?

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Kris Kocurek disagrees.

Not last year when Buckner had over 800 snaps in a 'down' year. I highly doubt the plan was for their #15 pick to be a 2 of 3 down player. But ya'll can justify anything so...LOL

Buckner wasn't a rookie.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Because your 3T is your primary inside pass rusher in a W9 (in a passing league). Are you cool with Bosa only playing 62%? Hell no!

The lowest Bosa played in any game as a rookie was 73%.

Bosa was super polished, Kinlaw was a lot more raw by comparison.

Quinnen Williams played about 60% (give or take) of his team's defensive snaps weekly last year. And Aaron Donald played 67% of the Rams defensive snaps as a rookie.

Buckner had 1,005 snaps his rookie year.

We have 4 wins. 90% of the roster is on I.R.

So we sit a raw rookie who's playing fine? I'm sure he'll learn a lot more on the bench.

He isn't sitting, he is playing.

And Buckner was coached up as a rookie by a different coach. Different teachers have different approaches and methods and different ways of teaching. As previously mentioned Aaron Donald and QW were given lighter loads in terms of snaps as rookies much like Kinlaw.

There is no surefire "it has to be done like this" approach that one MUST follow.

So what exactly is wrong with KK's approach and why is it wrong? What proof is there that increasing the snap count will be a more effective approach?

LOL. He's literally sitting 38% of the snaps.

Like I said, I had no issues working him in slowly but not after the bye-week. If he's still only getting 60% I'm not a fan of that approach.

It sounds like some are fine now with a 60% top 15 player? That's fine but I'm willing to bet, had I given you this scenario post draft, you wouldn't be happy with that. You're just happy with it because towing the company line is easier than having a mind (and standards) of your own.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Kris Kocurek disagrees.

Not last year when Buckner had over 800 snaps in a 'down' year. I highly doubt the plan was for their #15 pick to be a 2 of 3 down player. But ya'll can justify anything so...LOL

Buckner wasn't a rookie.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Because your 3T is your primary inside pass rusher in a W9 (in a passing league). Are you cool with Bosa only playing 62%? Hell no!

The lowest Bosa played in any game as a rookie was 73%.

Bosa was super polished, Kinlaw was a lot more raw by comparison.

Quinnen Williams played about 60% (give or take) of his team's defensive snaps weekly last year. And Aaron Donald played 67% of the Rams defensive snaps as a rookie.

Buckner had 1,005 snaps his rookie year.

We have 4 wins. 90% of the roster is on I.R.

So we sit a raw rookie who's playing fine? I'm sure he'll learn a lot more on the bench.

PS: Even the "raw" AA averaged 75% of the snaps in his rookie year.

Dude. Stop making stuff up ! lol AA did not average 75% of snaps his rookie year....not even close. Where are you coming up with this stuff? Are you just making things up? Lol come in NC

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. He's literally sitting 38% of the snaps.

Like I said, I had no issues working him in slowly but not after the bye-week. If he's still only getting 60% I'm not a fan of that approach.

It sounds like some are fine now with a 60% top 15 player? That's fine but I'm willing to bet, had I given you this scenario post draft, you wouldn't be happy with that. You're just happy with it because towing the company line is easier than having a mind (and standards) of your own.

Disagreeing with you is not me towing the company line. There is more than one way to skin the cat and yet you seemingly won't acknowledge that.

Kinlaw does not have to play X amount of or X percentage of the snaps as a rookie because we took him top 15. There is no right or wrong way, just different ways.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Dude. Stop making stuff up ! lol AA did not average 75% of snaps his rookie year....not even close. Where are you coming up with this stuff? Are you just making things up? Lol come in NC

AA played 375 snaps as a rookie which was 32.95% of the defensive snaps.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. He's literally sitting 38% of the snaps.

Like I said, I had no issues working him in slowly but not after the bye-week. If he's still only getting 60% I'm not a fan of that approach.

It sounds like some are fine now with a 60% top 15 player? That's fine but I'm willing to bet, had I given you this scenario post draft, you wouldn't be happy with that. You're just happy with it because towing the company line is easier than having a mind (and standards) of your own.

Disagreeing with you is not me towing the company line. There is more than one way to skin the cat and yet you seemingly won't acknowledge that.

Kinlaw does not have to play X amount of or X percentage of the snaps as a rookie because we took him top 15. There is no right or wrong way, just different ways.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Dude. Stop making stuff up ! lol AA did not average 75% of snaps his rookie year....not even close. Where are you coming up with this stuff? Are you just making things up? Lol come in NC

AA played 375 snaps as a rookie which was 32.95% of the defensive snaps.

No, because if he played 30%, some here would justify that. 60% too (clearly), 90%, some would say, "He's young, he can handle it. The coaches obviously trust him."

Hoov. 75% average every game until he got hurt (did not count that game...hot hurt early). Come on guys.

https://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-sfo-6.php

What are YOUR original thoughts on the matter?

After the bye-week, tell me why YOU would take him off the field other than for breathers. To develop an UDFA Kevin Givens? LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol. You are trying way too hard NC

This. A lot of hypocritical stuff going on here

DTs have zero impact in pass rushing and yet we need top end talent at IOL for pass-protection...Spin it how ever he wants he said exactly that lol.

The facts are right in front of you as always. Ignore what you will.

Nah that's what you've been doing regarding this topic. You're soooo blinded by your infatuation with IOL that you've stooped to hypocritical nonsense.

literally this is what you've been saying...

DT have ZERO impact on the pass rush....yet we NEED (I mean you've complained about it nonstop for yrs) IOL to pass-protect against Wait for it.....these dime a dozen DTs who apparently have ZERO impact on the pass rush??

If you can't see the hypocrisy in these comments then there's really nothing to talk about

It's okay to say we need to improve IOL without making up BS like DTs have zero impact on the pass rush and Kin is some 2 down DT. You're not fooling anyone with this silly take dude.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. He's literally sitting 38% of the snaps.

Like I said, I had no issues working him in slowly but not after the bye-week. If he's still only getting 60% I'm not a fan of that approach.

It sounds like some are fine now with a 60% top 15 player? That's fine but I'm willing to bet, had I given you this scenario post draft, you wouldn't be happy with that. You're just happy with it because towing the company line is easier than having a mind (and standards) of your own.

Disagreeing with you is not me towing the company line. There is more than one way to skin the cat and yet you seemingly won't acknowledge that.

Kinlaw does not have to play X amount of or X percentage of the snaps as a rookie because we took him top 15. There is no right or wrong way, just different ways.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Dude. Stop making stuff up ! lol AA did not average 75% of snaps his rookie year....not even close. Where are you coming up with this stuff? Are you just making things up? Lol come in NC

AA played 375 snaps as a rookie which was 32.95% of the defensive snaps.

No, because if he played 30%, some here would justify that. 60% too (clearly), 90%, some would say, "He's young, he can handle it. The coaches obviously trust him."

Hoov. 75% average every game until he got hurt (did not count that game...hot hurt early). Come on guys.

https://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-sfo-6.php

What are YOUR original thoughts on the matter?

After the bye-week, tell me why YOU would take him off the field other than for breathers. To develop an UDFA Kevin Givens? LOL

No he did not. You made that up. Just like you made up Kinlaw was losing snaps to Givens . If you want to argue something that is fine, making s**t up is pretty lame
And I told you MY thoughts on the matter.
And FYI you need a new site to reference. And the link doesn't show his rookie year, he played all 16 games his rookie year ...and even then its 64% not 75% in 2016. Seriously where are you coming up with this stuff ?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. He's literally sitting 38% of the snaps.

Like I said, I had no issues working him in slowly but not after the bye-week. If he's still only getting 60% I'm not a fan of that approach.

It sounds like some are fine now with a 60% top 15 player? That's fine but I'm willing to bet, had I given you this scenario post draft, you wouldn't be happy with that. You're just happy with it because towing the company line is easier than having a mind (and standards) of your own.

Disagreeing with you is not me towing the company line. There is more than one way to skin the cat and yet you seemingly won't acknowledge that.

Kinlaw does not have to play X amount of or X percentage of the snaps as a rookie because we took him top 15. There is no right or wrong way, just different ways.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Dude. Stop making stuff up ! lol AA did not average 75% of snaps his rookie year....not even close. Where are you coming up with this stuff? Are you just making things up? Lol come in NC

AA played 375 snaps as a rookie which was 32.95% of the defensive snaps.

No, because if he played 30%, some here would justify that. 60% too (clearly), 90%, some would say, "He's young, he can handle it. The coaches obviously trust him."

Hoov. 75% average every game until he got hurt (did not count that game...hot hurt early). Come on guys.

https://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-sfo-6.php

What are YOUR original thoughts on the matter?

After the bye-week, tell me why YOU would take him off the field other than for breathers. To develop an UDFA Kevin Givens? LOL

No he did not. You made that up. Just like you made up Kinlaw was losing snaps to Givens . If you want to argue something that is fine, making s**t up is pretty lame
And I told you MY thoughts on the matter.
And FYI you need a new site to reference. And the link doesn't show his rookie year, he played all 16 games his rookie year ...and even then its 64% not 75% in 2016. Seriously where are you coming up with this stuff ?

AA's rookie year was 2015. NC I admit I can't tell when you are joking and when you aren't. You once said Givens started over Kinlaw - that wasn't true. Now you are saying that Kinlaw comes off the field on 3rd downs. That's not true either. If anything, it's Givens playing the early run downs so that Kinlaw can play the 3rd downs iirc.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Lol. You are trying way too hard NC

This. A lot of hypocritical stuff going on here

DTs have zero impact in pass rushing and yet we need top end talent at IOL for pass-protection...Spin it how ever he wants he said exactly that lol.

The facts are right in front of you as always. Ignore what you will.

Nah that's what you've been doing regarding this topic. You're soooo blinded by your infatuation with IOL that you've stooped to hypocritical nonsense.

literally this is what you've been saying...

DT have ZERO impact on the pass rush....yet we NEED (I mean you've complained about it nonstop for yrs) IOL to pass-protect against Wait for it.....these dime a dozen DTs who apparently have ZERO impact on the pass rush??

If you can't see the hypocrisy in these comments then there's really nothing to talk about

It's okay to say we need to improve IOL without making up BS like DTs have zero impact on the pass rush and Kin is some 2 down DT. You're not fooling anyone with this silly take dude.

LOL. What? What does DL at a dime a dozen have to do with needing IOL who can pass protect? DL are the athletes coming out of college and there's an overabundance of them every year in FA and the draft. Even on our team where there's little difference in production between an UDFA and a top 15 pick. IOL that can run block and pass block can't keep up with these athletes and OL are having conferences to just try and combat the fact there are so many good ones esp. on the edges.

Originally posted by thl408:

AA's rookie year was 2015. NC I admit I can't tell when you are joking and when you aren't. You once said Givens started over Kinlaw - that wasn't true. Now you are saying that Kinlaw comes off the field on 3rd downs. That's not true either. If anything, it's Givens playing the early run downs so that Kinlaw can play the 3rd downs iirc.

I'm getting pretty good at this!

TBH, some is true. I really do want to see him increase his snaps. He's going to grow so much and 2020 is the perfect season to learn as you play.

As to the 2 down DL label, it really doesn't matter to me honestly which 2 downs as every down is a passing down these days and that's the area he needs to work on so that's a win-win in my book.

I think the kid has certainly flashed and I've seen growth and I've seen him struggle for a few weeks and then push through that rookie wall. When he puts it all together, he's going to be a really good and steady player for us.

Is his position (3T) going to move the needle on wins and loses? Get the most bang for your buck when pass rushing is his weakness? Probably not IMHO unless he grows significantly in that skill. But he'll be a good player like AA when he came into his own.

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. What? What does DL at a dime a dozen have to do with needing IOL who can pass protect? DL are the athletes coming out of college and there's an overabundance of them every year in FA and the draft. Even on our team where there's little difference in production between an UDFA and a top 15 pick. IOL that can run block and pass block can't keep up with these athletes and OL are having conferences to just try and combat the fact there are so many good ones esp. on the edges.

Yes and there isn't an overabundance of IOL to block all these s**tty DTs lol?

Dude YOU literally said DTs are a dime a dozen AND that DTs have ZERO impact on pass rushing....You said all this all why trying to pump up the need for top end IOL pass-protectors to block all of these dime a dozen DTs that apparently have ZERO impact on pass rushing.

How are you not seeing the irony of all of this?

You can't downplay the importance of DTs and pump up the need for IOL WHEN they're the ones blocking the DTs

Again no need to say one is more important than the other BUT if you look at the overall $ invested & high end draft capital spent on both throughout the league DT is favored.

Yes we need to build the IOL...doesn't mean a guard is more important than a DT or you having to find some cherry picked stat to prove why Kin wasn't a good pick, just because you didn't get who you wanted. move on Kin is a Niner and looks to be improving every week.

Let's stop with the malarkey. We can say IOL can be improved without having to s**t on a player or a position just cause it don't go your way