Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Let's stop with the malarkey. We can say IOL can be improved without having to s**t on a player or a position just cause it don't go your way

Lol. Now it's devolved into outright making things up

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. What? What does DL at a dime a dozen have to do with needing IOL who can pass protect? DL are the athletes coming out of college and there's an overabundance of them every year in FA and the draft. Even on our team where there's little difference in production between an UDFA and a top 15 pick. IOL that can run block and pass block can't keep up with these athletes and OL are having conferences to just try and combat the fact there are so many good ones esp. on the edges.

Yes and there isn't an overabundance of IOL to block all these s**tty DTs lol?

Dude YOU literally said DTs are a dime a dozen AND that DTs have ZERO impact on pass rushing....You said all this all why trying to pump up the need for top end IOL pass-protectors to block all of these dime a dozen DTs that apparently have ZERO impact on pass rushing.

How are you not seeing the irony of all of this?

You can't downplay the importance of DTs and pump up the need for IOL WHEN they're the ones blocking the DTs

Again no need to say one is more important than the other BUT if you look at the overall $ invested & high end draft capital spent on both throughout the league DT is favored.

Yes we need to build the IOL...doesn't mean a guard is more important than a DT or you having to find some cherry picked stat to prove why Kin wasn't a good pick, just because you didn't get who you wanted. move on Kin is a Niner and looks to be improving every week.

LOL. Saying DL are a dime a dozen does not imply they suck as a result of it. In fact, it makes the pool stronger as teams pick the top players and get more of them to rotate making it a stronger unit overall.

How many OL units are better than DL?

I also showed you how UDFA's on this very team are grading out significantly higher than Kinlaw and all are good players and in part of the larger rotation.

The fact that they ARE a dime a dozen only puts spending a top 15 pick on a DL suspect unless he's got an excellent pass rush skill base to work from.

Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

Originally posted by NCommand:

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Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

Saints starting OL :

LT - 3rd round pick
LG - 1st round pick
C - 2nd round pick
RG - 1st round pick
RT - 1st round pick

And their QB still got hurt after all of that was invested to protect the QB.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

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Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

Saints starting OL :

LT - 3rd round pick
LG - 1st round pick
C - 2nd round pick
RG - 1st round pick
RT - 1st round pick

And their QB still got hurt after all of that was invested to protect the QB.

2 weeks in a row. His first round of broken ribs happened the week prior

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
^ lol what are you talking about? Taking the training wheels off? He's getting the most snaps of any interior DL by a ton

He needs much much more. This is an extended pre season. Get those snaps up to 80% the rest of the year.

Kris Kocurek disagrees.

Not last year when Buckner had over 800 snaps in a 'down' year. I highly doubt the plan was for their #15 pick to be a 2 of 3 down player. But ya'll can justify anything so...LOL

Buckner wasn't a rookie.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Because your 3T is your primary inside pass rusher in a W9 (in a passing league). Are you cool with Bosa only playing 62%? Hell no!

The lowest Bosa played in any game as a rookie was 73%.

Bosa was super polished, Kinlaw was a lot more raw by comparison.

Quinnen Williams played about 60% (give or take) of his team's defensive snaps weekly last year. And Aaron Donald played 67% of the Rams defensive snaps as a rookie.

Buckner had 1,005 snaps his rookie year.

We have 4 wins. 90% of the roster is on I.R.

So we sit a raw rookie who's playing fine? I'm sure he'll learn a lot more on the bench.

PS: Even the "raw" AA averaged 75% of the snaps in his rookie year.

Dude. Stop making stuff up ! lol AA did not average 75% of snaps his rookie year....not even close. Where are you coming up with this stuff? Are you just making things up? Lol come in NC

smh This is so ridiculous.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

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Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

Saints starting OL :

LT - 3rd round pick
LG - 1st round pick
C - 2nd round pick
RG - 1st round pick
RT - 1st round pick

And their QB still got hurt after all of that was invested to protect the QB.

When healthy, isn't our OL similar:

LT - 1st round
LG - 1st round
C - 2nd round
RG - ?
RT - 1st round

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Saying DL are a dime a dozen does not imply they suck as a result of it. In fact, it makes the pool stronger as teams pick the top players and get more of them to rotate making it a stronger unit overall.

How many OL units are better than DL?

I also showed you how UDFA's on this very team are grading out significantly higher than Kinlaw and all are good players and in part of the larger rotation.

The fact that they ARE a dime a dozen only puts spending a top 15 pick on a DL suspect unless he's got an excellent pass rush skill base to work from.

Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

How many times do I have to show YOU all the day 3 picks and UDFAs playing well at IOL???

again you're not gonna find many people that will agree that a IOL is more important than a DT...cash spent and higher draft picks spent more often go to DTs. It's simply the truth.

Yes bring up Joe Burrow who got destroyed from a DL FULL of 1st rd players in DC NOT a bunch of dime a dozen DTs lol. QW who hurt JG was the 3rd overall pick. Bringing up Brees who's OL is full of top end OL talent and got busted up from the guy YOU wanted doesn't help your argument lol.

NC thought process " DTs have ZERO impact in pass rush, but here look at all the QBs who got hurt because of DTs"

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:
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Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

Saints starting OL :

LT - 3rd round pick
LG - 1st round pick
C - 2nd round pick
RG - 1st round pick
RT - 1st round pick

And their QB still got hurt after all of that was invested to protect the QB.

When healthy, isn't our OL similar:

LT - 1st round
LG - 1st round
C - 2nd round
RG - ?
RT - 1st round

If only we would have drafted Ruiz like NC wanted JG would have been.....hurt

meanwhile currently some of the best IOL are

Wyatt Teller- 5th rd pick
Shaq Mason-4th rd pick
Joe Thuney-3rd rd pick
Michael Onwenu-6th rd pick (playing OT as well)

I got no problem developing and spending some picks on IOL. Saying IOL is more important than DT and saying DT literally has ZERO impact in the pass rush is comical. I mean we're really really trying hard here.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If only we would have drafted Ruiz like NC wanted JG would have been.....hurt

meanwhile currently some of the best IOL are

Wyatt Teller- 5th rd pick
Shaq Mason-4th rd pick
Joe Thuney-3rd rd pick
Michael Onwenu-6th rd pick (playing OT as well)

I got no problem developing and spending some picks on IOL. Saying IOL is more important than DT and saying DT literally has ZERO impact in the pass rush is comical. I mean we're really really trying hard here.

Still can't believe Teller was traded for peanuts

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

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Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

Saints starting OL :

LT - 3rd round pick
LG - 1st round pick
C - 2nd round pick
RG - 1st round pick
RT - 1st round pick

And their QB still got hurt after all of that was invested to protect the QB.

And? It was the rookie C playing RG that got him killed by a dime a dozen Kentavius Street. Case in point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

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Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

Saints starting OL :

LT - 3rd round pick
LG - 1st round pick
C - 2nd round pick
RG - 1st round pick
RT - 1st round pick

And their QB still got hurt after all of that was invested to protect the QB.

When healthy, isn't our OL similar:

LT - 1st round
LG - 1st round
C - 2nd round
RG - ?
RT - 1st round

If only we would have drafted Ruiz like NC wanted JG would have been.....hurt

meanwhile currently some of the best IOL are

Wyatt Teller- 5th rd pick
Shaq Mason-4th rd pick
Joe Thuney-3rd rd pick
Michael Onwenu-6th rd pick (playing OT as well)

I got no problem developing and spending some picks on IOL. Saying IOL is more important than DT and saying DT literally has ZERO impact in the pass rush is comical. I mean we're really really trying hard here.

Yeah, he's a C. He'd be a C for us. Not a RG like there.

Is it comical that you interpreted the bold that way.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If only we would have drafted Ruiz like NC wanted JG would have been.....hurt

meanwhile currently some of the best IOL are

Wyatt Teller- 5th rd pick
Shaq Mason-4th rd pick
Joe Thuney-3rd rd pick
Michael Onwenu-6th rd pick (playing OT as well)

I got no problem developing and spending some picks on IOL. Saying IOL is more important than DT and saying DT literally has ZERO impact in the pass rush is comical. I mean we're really really trying hard here.

Still can't believe Teller was traded for peanuts

I think most of us had at least 3 of those guys in our mocks too at one point or another. Yes, they can be found later too.

The problem is our FO hasn't drafted any of them no matter the round. LOL

Even their one and only real investment looks like crap right now.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If only we would have drafted Ruiz like NC wanted JG would have been.....hurt

meanwhile currently some of the best IOL are

Wyatt Teller- 5th rd pick
Shaq Mason-4th rd pick
Joe Thuney-3rd rd pick
Michael Onwenu-6th rd pick (playing OT as well)

I got no problem developing and spending some picks on IOL. Saying IOL is more important than DT and saying DT literally has ZERO impact in the pass rush is comical. I mean we're really really trying hard here.

Still can't believe Teller was traded for peanuts

I think most of us had at least 3 of those guys in our mocks too at one point or another. Yes, they can be found later too.

The problem is our FO hasn't drafted any of them no matter the round. LOL

Even their one and only real investment looks like crap right now.

Yeah and I know a bunch of people were pounding the table for Dalton Risner. Can't be mad about having Deebo tho.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

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Meanwhile, we see what happens when OL can't pass protect: Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees, Joe Burrow --- all QB's hurt because of poor pass protection.

Therefore, IOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> DT

Saints starting OL :

LT - 3rd round pick
LG - 1st round pick
C - 2nd round pick
RG - 1st round pick
RT - 1st round pick

And their QB still got hurt after all of that was invested to protect the QB.

When healthy, isn't our OL similar:

LT - 1st round
LG - 1st round
C - 2nd round
RG - ?
RT - 1st round

It's not the picks. It's the standards set. Kyle does not value pass protection as a unit.

Like with the DL. If Solomon Thomas isn't cutting it, you go get Nick Bosa, Dee Ford and Jevon Kinlaw until that standard is met.

You don't stay with Solomon Thomas and call it a day and just try to scheme around him.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Yeah and I know a bunch of people were pounding the table for Dalton Risner. Can't be mad about having Deebo tho.

Not at all esp. if he can stay healthy. That's the beauty of the draft. There are actually several scenarios of right and wrong choices most likely.