Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. Hoov, "twisted" is the perfect word for your understanding of my point...explained twice for you.

I think we all understand your point just fine. And that is why you are getting push back

Looking forward to seeing Kinlaw's continued development and him playing with Bosa and Armstead (and Ford if he's still here).

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Nah man I didn't watch yesterday.
But What exactly does that have to do with anything? Lol . Just stop. You get your angles and you just don't stop 😂

Kind of hard to understand the point if you didn't see the game without Kinlaw and Givens.

Pretty obvious I was being sarcastic. And pretty sure your comment still has zero relevance. They didn't pick Wirfs, get over it she stop trying to downplay the guy the did pick, as if that somehow makes you right or something . So transparent what you are doing lol

Literally, also has nothing to do with my point. Do you and NY just not read posts? Very very odd.

Originally posted by InfiniteEight:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Did you even watch the game yesterday?


Who were our DT's...hint, our top 2 DT's were out.

This is easy.

DL coaching/Development >>>> OL coaching/Development

It's how back in the day it seemed McKittrick could turn your uncle Ralph into an All-Pro. We're seeing this to a degree with Koucerek. He can identify players not on the team along with guys we already have and turn them into stars. Bobby Turner does the same with RBs.

Benton isn't there yet. How much would we need to pay Alex Gibbs to come out of retirement?

Completely agree with this take. Coaching plays a huge part in development along with players hard work and dedication. To just insert here is a bit unrealistic.

Is Wirfs doing well right now? Sure. But, that doesn't mean it would completely translate over to us. On the other hand, he could have been the reason Jimmy G plays the entire season. We will never know.

But, trying to replace a rookie DT who has done a quite formidable job at his position and under the circumstances of no preseason and playing during the first pandemic in the last 100 years, just seems like sour grapes for the team not drafting the player someone wanted.

It would certainly help if he got significantly more snaps for development.

Buckner had over 1K snaps in his rookie year. Kinlaw is going to have half that.

But Kocurek certainly got the most out of him. He's had a nice year.

Could other positions made a bigger difference on W's and L's and what is the drop off from Kinlaw to Givens to Street to Jones to Daniels to...? Significant to justify a top 15 pick?

That was my original point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If you truly believe this then you're wasting your time complaining about it all day everyday...it's not like they can hear us lol.

I have to believe, especially after going through 3 QB's and it being questioned directly to Kyle now, that perhaps they'll take unit pass protection more serious now esp. if they want to reboot with a new QB.

I don't have any evidence they will to date but I can hope some self reflection leads them to some changes in philosophy in a passing league.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. Hoov, "twisted" is the perfect word for your understanding of my point...explained twice for you.

I think we all understand your point just fine. And that is why you are getting push back

Clearly not. You haven't come close to it and only YOU and your Gemini twin are "pushing back."

Originally posted by NCommand:

Literally, also has nothing to do with my point. Do you and NY just not read posts? Very very odd.

Everyone knows what you are doing lol.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. Hoov, "twisted" is the perfect word for your understanding of my point...explained twice for you.

I think we all understand your point just fine. And that is why you are getting push back

Clearly not. You haven't come close to it and only YOU and your Gemini twin are "pushing back."

Oh ok lol

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. Hoov, "twisted" is the perfect word for your understanding of my point...explained twice for you.

I think we all understand your point just fine. And that is why you are getting push back

Clearly not. You haven't come close to it and only YOU and your Gemini twin are "pushing back."

Oh ok lol

Facts. But I only posted that topic in here because he was out this game and it illustrated my exact point from the off season after we traded Buckner.

Many thought we absolutely needed to instantly replace Buckner with high draft capital and I had said you could just grab one of the 100 FA DT's for cheap and just use a heavy rotation of our current DT's and there won't be much drop off in a passing league. Use that #14 or #15 for positions that have more direct correlation to W's and L's. Saturday's game illustrated it perfectly...hence the dime-a-dozen point.

Originally posted by NCommand:

It would certainly help if he got significantly more snaps for development.

Buckner had over 1K snaps in his rookie year. Kinlaw is going to have half that.

But Kocurek certainly got the most out of him. He's had a nice year.

Could other positions made a bigger difference on W's and L's and what is the drop off from Kinlaw to Givens to Street to Jones to Daniels to...? Significant to justify a top 15 pick?

That was my original point.

You draft players to help you long term not short term.

And you keep saying this is a passing league... well that increases the value of DL especially for the scheme we run which is dependent on getting pressure with your front four.

Forget the drop off and look to the ceilings. Kinlaw has a much higher ceiling than any of the guys currently on our interior DL.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Facts. But I only posted that topic in here because he was out this game and it illustrated my exact point from the off season after we traded Buckner.

Many thought we absolutely needed to instantly replace Buckner with high draft capital and I had said you could just grab one of the 100 FA DT's for cheap and just use a heavy rotation of our current DT's and there won't be much drop off in a passing league. Use that #14 or #15 for positions that have more direct correlation to W's and L's. Saturday's game illustrated it perfectly...hence the dime-a-dozen point.

Facts are you're in a rookie DT thread constantly s**tting on him pretending you have some valid point, cherry picking whatever you can get your hands on for stats, but in reality it's just a bunch of narrative pushing because we all know everything you write about in here revolves around the OL.

We.Get. It.

The OL needs to be fixed. Doesn't take away from the potential that Kinlaw has with this healthy DL and coaching staff.

Crying over spilt milk gets old...go look at 2021 lineman that fit this system that our coaching staff might like.

Nothing you're saying changes the past draft, the what if's are old and stale especially when you pick multiple prospects only to point out the one that actually plays well yr 1

Let's focus on 2021

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Facts. But I only posted that topic in here because he was out this game and it illustrated my exact point from the off season after we traded Buckner.

Many thought we absolutely needed to instantly replace Buckner with high draft capital and I had said you could just grab one of the 100 FA DT's for cheap and just use a heavy rotation of our current DT's and there won't be much drop off in a passing league. Use that #14 or #15 for positions that have more direct correlation to W's and L's. Saturday's game illustrated it perfectly...hence the dime-a-dozen point.

Facts are you're in a rookie DT thread constantly s**tting on him pretending you have some valid point, cherry picking whatever you can get your hands on for stats, but in reality it's just a bunch of narrative pushing because we all know everything you write about in here revolves around the OL.

We.Get. It.

The OL needs to be fixed. Doesn't take away from the potential that Kinlaw has with this healthy DL and coaching staff.

Crying over spilt milk gets old...go look at 2021 lineman that fit this system that our coaching staff might like.

Nothing you're saying changes the past draft, the what if's are old and stale especially when you pick multiple prospects only to point out the one that actually plays well yr 1

Let's focus on 2021

Funny. I didn't see Kinlaw/DT as your top pick in all 40 of your mock drafts. Clearly, you felt the same as I did and that was spending that capital on other needs and in FA, you too agreed with getting several cheap FA DT's. LOL.

But here you are towing the company line because of the actual direction the FO went.

Stick to your original stance so I can respect it at least.

Originally posted by evil:

You draft players to help you long term not short term.

And you keep saying this is a passing league... well that increases the value of DL especially for the scheme we run which is dependent on getting pressure with your front four.

Forget the drop off and look to the ceilings. Kinlaw has a much higher ceiling than any of the guys currently on our interior DL.

That's a whole lot of projection. The reality is he's a 1.5 snap DT that needs work in double teams and has a ton of work to put in as a pass rusher and may need several years before he can add a complete game and play consistently at a high level.

That's great if you believe he'll become a pass rush force and be equally effective in the run game but when a Championship window is open, you go for positions that move the needle on W's and L's and this last game proved you didn't even realize (or notice, d/t similar production) he wasn't out there.

Not the player. The position. And how that position is used HERE.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

You draft players to help you long term not short term.

And you keep saying this is a passing league... well that increases the value of DL especially for the scheme we run which is dependent on getting pressure with your front four.

Forget the drop off and look to the ceilings. Kinlaw has a much higher ceiling than any of the guys currently on our interior DL.

That's a whole lot of projection. The reality is he's a 1.5 snap DT that needs work in double teams and has a ton of work to put in as a pass rusher and may need several years before he can add a complete game and play consistently at a high level.

That's great if you believe he'll become a pass rush force and be equally effective in the run game but when a Championship window is open, you go for positions that move the needle on W's and L's and this last game proved you didn't even realize (or notice, d/t similar production) he wasn't out there.

Not the player. The position. And how that position is used HERE.

Teams draft based on projection though. And what they go for, championship window or not, is based on individual philosophy belonging to that regime.

Chiefs drafted a RB that has had but 2 standout games and they had to turn to the FA market to bolster the run game.

Saints drafted an IOL who has started some games, has been active and not played at all in another and not due to injury or illness and has split reps in a few other games.

Packers took a QB when everyone assumed they would get Rodgers some receiver help.

Each of those teams used their own philosophy in the draft, and none of those first round picks are truly making a difference to their respective teams W/L record.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Funny. I didn't see Kinlaw/DT as your top pick in all 40 of your mock drafts. Clearly, you felt the same as I did and that was spending that capital on other needs and in FA, you too agreed with getting several cheap FA DT's. LOL.

But here you are towing the company line because of the actual direction the FO went.

Stick to your original stance so I can respect it at least.

In most of my mocks, I had them taking a DT in the top 2 rds.

I also said I had Kin as my #1DT. I posted that while it's not my ideal scenario, I wouldn't be shocked if they went in that direction...especially after not getting anyone in FA.

I wanted a WR in this draft, they came away with a good one. I don't have to have my ideal scenario in order for me to be content with the outcome...if that was the case we'd be pissed off every draft. I don't have to be stubborn about it, like it's this position or nothing else. I also have faith in this FO vs who we had in the past.

You yourself said you don't scout or really watch college football...yet as soon as that pick happened you acted like you had Kin all figured out lol. You cherry picked whatever you could find (and are still doing) to try and prop up your stance and downplay his worth or ability.

At this point move on...whatever you saying doesn't change anything. Kid's skill set and potential is very high...if you can wait for that, well too damn bad lol.

We're on to 2021 here, use your free football time to look at OL that make sense for SF...like I've said you've made that your topic in here