Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Facts. But I only posted that topic in here because he was out this game and it illustrated my exact point from the off season after we traded Buckner.

Many thought we absolutely needed to instantly replace Buckner with high draft capital and I had said you could just grab one of the 100 FA DT's for cheap and just use a heavy rotation of our current DT's and there won't be much drop off in a passing league. Use that #14 or #15 for positions that have more direct correlation to W's and L's. Saturday's game illustrated it perfectly...hence the dime-a-dozen point.

Facts are you're in a rookie DT thread constantly s**tting on him pretending you have some valid point, cherry picking whatever you can get your hands on for stats, but in reality it's just a bunch of narrative pushing because we all know everything you write about in here revolves around the OL.

We.Get. It.

The OL needs to be fixed. Doesn't take away from the potential that Kinlaw has with this healthy DL and coaching staff.

Crying over spilt milk gets old...go look at 2021 lineman that fit this system that our coaching staff might like.

Nothing you're saying changes the past draft, the what if's are old and stale especially when you pick multiple prospects only to point out the one that actually plays well yr 1

Let's focus on 2021

Funny. I didn't see Kinlaw/DT as your top pick in all 40 of your mock drafts. Clearly, you felt the same as I did and that was spending that capital on other needs and in FA, you too agreed with getting several cheap FA DT's. LOL.

But here you are towing the company line because of the actual direction the FO went.

Stick to your original stance so I can respect it at least.

FWIW :

His last 3 mocks had a DT in the second round twice (top 50 both times) and in the third round in the last one. He had WR going first in all three.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a whole lot of projection. The reality is he's a 1.5 snap DT that needs work in double teams and has a ton of work to put in as a pass rusher and may need several years before he can add a complete game and play consistently at a high level.

That's great if you believe he'll become a pass rush force and be equally effective in the run game but when a Championship window is open, you go for positions that move the needle on W's and L's and this last game proved you didn't even realize (or notice, d/t similar production) he wasn't out there.

Not the player. The position. And how that position is used HERE.

Cesar Ruiz wouldn't have moved the championship needle window. Neither woul'dve Wirfs. How does either of them help McGlinchey not get bench pressed by dbs? We also know Ruiz likely would've gotten Jimmy hurt just as easily.

A penetrating DT doesn't fit in the defense the 9ers use?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
In most of my mocks, I had them taking a DT in the top 2 rds.

I also said I had Kin as my #1DT. I posted that while it's not my ideal scenario, I wouldn't be shocked if they went in that direction...especially after not getting anyone in FA.

I wanted a WR in this draft, they came away with a good one. I don't have to have my ideal scenario in order for me to be content with the outcome...if that was the case we'd be pissed off every draft. I don't have to be stubborn about it, like it's this position or nothing else. I also have faith in this FO vs who we had in the past.

You yourself said you don't scout or really watch college football...yet as soon as that pick happened you acted like you had Kin all figured out lol. You cherry picked whatever you could find (and are still doing) to try and prop up your stance and downplay his worth or ability.

At this point move on...whatever you saying doesn't change anything. Kid's skill set and potential is very high...if you can wait for that, well too damn bad lol.

We're on to 2021 here, use your free football time to look at OL that make sense for SF...like I've said you've made that your topic in here

Creed Humphrey of course. Doesn't matter if he hasn't played like a first rounder. It's all about the position after all. Need a Center regardless of the draft pick value.

Lol so much smoke being blown in here

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
See if you load up the dline it could be a winning formula a la seattle.

Rockon kinlaw going to get better.

Shoulda cut ford traded armstead kept buckner signed fowler and still drafted kinlaw.

Be in the playoffs.

How exactly are you drafting Kinlaw without trading Buckner?

Would love to hear this...please tell me how you would've gotten that pick from Indy for a free agent Arik Armstead. I'll wait.

I'll bite. They were going to do a sign and trade like the NBA

Would love to see brodie explain his reasoning

Since franchising Armstead even at DT(and he likely could've claimed he was a DE) would've completely f*cked us over cap wise while free agency was happening.

Simply put we could trade Buckner and get something good in return. We couldn't trade Armstead and decided to keep him at a team friendly deal that Buckner simply wasn't going to take. This allowed us to keep the team as close as possible to what it was last year when we should've won the SB.

Can't control injuries and those should not impact how people judge the move. If anyone gets over their feelings and butt hurt towards a horrible season they'll see the move made sense and it made sense for both teams involved. It happens sometimes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

In most of my mocks, I had them taking a DT in the top 2 rds.

We're on to 2021 here, use your free football time to look at OL that make sense for SF...

I wasn't talking top 2 rounds. I was talking about #15. And you definitely didn't have a top 15 for a DT.

But my point was made so no worries.

Yes, now we're on to 2021 off season. Let's do this (not that they ever listen to us). Haha.

Originally posted by evil:

Teams draft based on projection though. And what they go for, championship window or not, is based on individual philosophy belonging to that regime.

Chiefs drafted a RB that has had but 2 standout games and they had to turn to the FA market to bolster the run game.

Saints drafted an IOL who has started some games, has been active and not played at all in another and not due to injury or illness and has split reps in a few other games.

Packers took a QB when everyone assumed they would get Rodgers some receiver help.

Each of those teams used their own philosophy in the draft, and none of those first round picks are truly making a difference to their respective teams W/L record.

Fair point. So did you have a DT as your top choice on your wish list?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Cesar Ruiz

Still stuck on the #24 pick?

TBF, you wouldn't take Ruiz at C over Garland, Grasu or Brunskill now and for the future?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Cesar Ruiz

Still stuck on the #24 pick?

TBF, you wouldn't take Ruiz at C over Garland, Grasu or Brunskill now and for the future?

I'll take Aiyuk over Ruiz thank you very much

Originally posted by evil:
FWIW :

His last 3 mocks had a DT in the second round twice (top 50 both times) and in the third round in the last one. He had WR going first in all three.

thank you sir
I've also had OL in 90% of my mocks throughout the yrs (and not just 6th rd picks lol). Most of them have actually turned into quality starters.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Cesar Ruiz

Still stuck on the #24 pick?

TBF, you wouldn't take Ruiz at C over Garland, Grasu or Brunskill now and for the future?

I'll take Aiyuk over Ruiz thank you very much

This x 10000000000000000000

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by evil:

FWIW :

His last 3 mocks had a DT in the second round twice (top 50 both times) and in the third round in the last one. He had WR going first in all three.

thank you sir
I've also had OL in 90% of my mocks throughout the yrs (and not just 6th rd picks lol). Most of them have actually turned into quality starters.

I can attest to you having DT within the 1st 2 rounds as well as being incredibly high on Kinlaw...like one of the better players in the draft high. You also had a WR mocked with first pick, and rightfully do as 1. They were desperate for a WR and 2. There were some stud WR coming out. Well guess what..,they ended up getting a great WR later in the 1st and nabbed Kinlaw with the 1st pick. So who cares if you didn't mock him at 15. Faulty logic

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
In most of my mocks, I had them taking a DT in the top 2 rds.

I also said I had Kin as my #1DT. I posted that while it's not my ideal scenario, I wouldn't be shocked if they went in that direction...especially after not getting anyone in FA.

I wanted a WR in this draft, they came away with a good one. I don't have to have my ideal scenario in order for me to be content with the outcome...if that was the case we'd be pissed off every draft. I don't have to be stubborn about it, like it's this position or nothing else. I also have faith in this FO vs who we had in the past.

You yourself said you don't scout or really watch college football...yet as soon as that pick happened you acted like you had Kin all figured out lol. You cherry picked whatever you could find (and are still doing) to try and prop up your stance and downplay his worth or ability.

At this point move on...whatever you saying doesn't change anything. Kid's skill set and potential is very high...if you can wait for that, well too damn bad lol.

We're on to 2021 here, use your free football time to look at OL that make sense for SF...like I've said you've made that your topic in here

Creed Humphrey of course. Doesn't matter if he hasn't played like a first rounder. It's all about the position after all. Need a Center regardless of the draft pick value.

I understand upgrading center, id prefer to do it in FA. There's some decent prospects, I don't see day 1 studs though.

Worst thing you can do is reach for need...that's what you're saying to do.

If he's chilling in the 3rd rd I'd make a play (with that Saleh pick), he hasn't played like a top 50 prospect this yr. I'd rather get Linderbaum/Drake Jackson/Alec Lindstrom on day 3.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
In most of my mocks, I had them taking a DT in the top 2 rds.

We're on to 2021 here, use your free football time to look at OL that make sense for SF...

I wasn't talking top 2 rounds. I was talking about #15. And you definitely didn't have a top 15 for a DT.

But my point was made so no worries.

Yes, now we're on to 2021 off season. Let's do this (not that they ever listen to us). Haha.

again It wasn't my ideal scenario...it also wasn't some far fetched idea and a lot of people including myself talked about it. I was fine with the outcome and still am.

yes let's move on.

I'm gonna be honest, I'm disappointed in the production and output that I've seen from Kinlaw this year. I didn't like the pick when it was made. I understood the logic behind it but it was underwhelming then and is still now. There was talk of how dominant he was in training camp and how he was a man amongst boys. Everyone was saying his potential was All-Pro. I just don't see it. Only 1.5 sacks, 3 TFL and 4 QB hits this year. He's only played in 56.23% of the snaps on defense.

I understand he has shown flashes. I'm not giving up on him. I'm just worried that we spent a top 15 pick on a rotational piece DL who is going to get you only 4-5 sacks per year.