Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
I can attest to you having DT within the 1st 2 rounds as well as being incredibly high on Kinlaw...like one of the better players in the draft high. You also had a WR mocked with first pick, and rightfully do as 1. They were desperate for a WR and 2. There were some stud WR coming out. Well guess what..,they ended up getting a great WR later in the 1st and nabbed Kinlaw with the 1st pick. So who cares if you didn't mock him at 15. Faulty logic

it's a reach, we all know that.

I had him as a top 15 prospect (like most people) also like a lot of people I had us going WR because that was the position that had the most top end talent IMO (and was something we clearly needed).

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:
I'm gonna be honest, I'm disappointed in the production and output that I've seen from Kinlaw this year. I didn't like the pick when it was made. I understood the logic behind it but it was underwhelming then and is still now. There was talk of how dominant he was in training camp and how he was a man amongst boys. Everyone was saying his potential was All-Pro. I just don't see it. Only 1.5 sacks, 3 TFL and 4 QB hits this year. He's only played in 56.23% of the snaps on defense.

I understand he has shown flashes. I'm not giving up on him. I'm just worried that we spent a top 15 pick on a rotational piece DL who is going to get you only 4-5 sacks per year.

Took Chris Jones until his 3rd yr to become a complete stud. Kinlaw is that same type of athlete, he has that same trajectory and he also was about as raw as him coming out of Mississippi state. If he was Bosa polished coming out he would have been a top 5 pick. I mean even QW (whom some love more than Bosa) was not good his rookie yr. He picked it up yr 2.

people asking for instant success are simply not being realistic, especially in this covid yr.

He one player I'm not even close to being worried about. Our DL coach will get him where he needs to be.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I understand upgrading center, id prefer to do it in FA. There's some decent prospects, I don't see day 1 studs though.

Worst thing you can do is reach for need...that's what you're saying to do.

If he's chilling in the 3rd rd I'd make a play (with that Saleh pick), he hasn't played like a top 50 prospect this yr. I'd rather get Linderbaum/Drake Jackson/Alec Lindstrom on day 3.

Not what im saying. I never reach for need.

It's the guy arguing positions should determine who gets drafted where.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Still stuck on the #24 pick?

TBF, you wouldn't take Ruiz at C over Garland, Grasu or Brunskill now and for the future?

Now? He hasn't been better than any of those guys.

Future? Sure but i'd take Kinlaw future over any of the dudes they would've gotten instead of him too.

There isn't a coach or GM in the entire NFL that thinks Guards are vital but DT's are dime a dozen. You are out on that ledge all by yourself.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Now? He hasn't been better than any of those guys.

Future? Sure but i'd take Kinlaw future over any of the dudes they would've gotten instead of him too.

There isn't a coach or GM in the entire NFL that thinks Guards are vital but DT's are dime a dozen. You are out on that ledge all by yourself.

Garland has actually graded out better than Ruiz, Garland is the 11th overall center this yr per PFF (66 PP 73 RB) Ruiz 58th ranked IOL (43 PP 62 RB) and that's surrounded by great lineman and having a HOF QB most of the yr (the other one runs half the damn time lol).

Ruiz is just a rookie so unlike NC I'll let him develop I do think he was over drafted because IOL was junk this past draft.

I hope Kinlaw can play this week. That quick inside rush is a good way to get to Wilson. Donald has had a lot of success getting to him. I know, Kinlaw isn't Donald but he does have a powerful push and is good at blocking passes at the line.

That's fair.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I hope Kinlaw can play this week. That quick inside rush is a good way to get to Wilson. Donald has had a lot of success getting to him. I know, Kinlaw isn't Donald but he does have a powerful push and is good at blocking passes at the line.

They've been quiet about his knee injury. Any updates?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Cesar Ruiz

Still stuck on the #24 pick?

TBF, you wouldn't take Ruiz at C over Garland, Grasu or Brunskill now and for the future?

I'll take Aiyuk over Ruiz thank you very much

Yeah, not sure why he's still so focused on him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Took Chris Jones until his 3rd yr to become a complete stud.

Haha. Careful, suggesting it might take 3 years to fully develop Kinlaw will give Hoov a panic attack and have him claiming you are using disingenuous takes to push a narrative.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Totally.

TBF, Kocurek has been given premier talent like no other but he's also treating every DL equally and all are getting snaps while getting the most production out of them. Like Turner with the Arby's. Give him his traits and he'll get the most out of them...career years, even.

Benton? He still needs talent as those are 1K players built around chemistry. He's been given run blocking and movement traits and no doubt that's a heavy focus. But as a pass protection unit, he isn't getting anything out of these guys and 2 guys have already regressed from last year in PP in Brunskill and McGlinchey. So does he need better PP talent or more focus on PP or both?

Originally posted by NCommand:

It would certainly help if he got significantly more snaps for development.

Buckner had over 1K snaps in his rookie year. Kinlaw is going to have half that.

But Kocurek certainly got the most out of him. He's had a nice year.

Could other positions made a bigger difference on W's and L's and what is the drop off from Kinlaw to Givens to Street to Jones to Daniels to...? Significant to justify a top 15 pick?

That was my original point.

I think Benton just isn't the same kind of coach as Kourcerk. We're not brining in "Benton guys" from what I can tell, whereas we are certainly bringing "Koucerk guys" like Hyder who have made a big impact this year and are tops for being kept beyond this season. If we are bringing in Benton guys they certainly aren't getting better. Tomlinson is a Mayhew draft pick from Detroit. Outside of maybe Brunskill, there really aren't any others that have developed yet (Skule). Beton may need more talent and more time as OL I'll admit is more complex of a position to learn, but I feel like we're bringing more KS guys vs Benton (Garland).

Koucerk seems to know what he wants out of his players like drafting Kinlaw along with being able to identify who's available/on the street that can fit well and produce/execute in his system. The OL IMHO feels more like a hodgepodge of players all who have same weaknesses and similar strengths without really building on their progress from week to week. The FA feel more like FO and coaching consensus choices versus some real strategy around how each piece will perform in this system to make it better.

Great points. Unless he too only cares about run blocking. Then the FO has given him quite a bit of quantity; maybe not high on quality.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Still stuck on the #24 pick?

TBF, you wouldn't take Ruiz at C over Garland, Grasu or Brunskill now and for the future?

Now? He hasn't been better than any of those guys.

Future? Sure but i'd take Kinlaw future over any of the dudes they would've gotten instead of him too.

There isn't a coach or GM in the entire NFL that thinks Guards are vital but DT's are dime a dozen. You are out on that ledge all by yourself.

Huh? You'd take Kinlaw over Wirfs and Lamb?

You keep pivoting oddly to Ruiz in these scenarios which makes zero sense when talking about positions at 15 that move the needle more than DT.

Try to stick to the scenario at least.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Huh? You'd take Kinlaw over Wirfs and Lamb?

You keep pivoting oddly to Ruiz in these scenarios which makes zero sense when talking about positions at 15 that move the needle more than DT.

Try to stick to the scenario at least.

Only reason you got on the Wirfs bandwagon is he was avaliable. Let's not pretend for one second you wouldn't have taken Ruiz at 15. He was your guy all leadup banging the interior OL door. Then Wirfs becomes available while Ruiz struggles and you shift the narrative to always wanted Wirfs. You also had Wirfs pencilled in for Guard not Tackle so Guard does not move the needle more than DT on any team to any coach or GM in the entire league.

Didn't take Kinlaw over Wirfs, just decided Kinlaw and a 4th was more advantageous. I will take Kinlaw and Aiyuk over Wirfs and Pittman though.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Only reason you got on the Wirfs bandwagon is he was avaliable. Let's not pretend for one second you wouldn't have taken Ruiz at 15.

LMAO. What? You can check my receipts on both of these. Wirfs or Lamb, yes, Ruiz at 15, no.

Wirfs is already giving you far more than Kinlaw to start. He's a 1K snap player. He'll soon have playoff experience too.

Aiyuk has far surpassed my expectations thus far although his weaknesses are still there as concerns still. That's what kept him from possibly going higher like Ruiz as the first IOL.

Another game he wasn't needed. Good job DT's.