Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by elguapo:

4x pro bowl
1x all pro
Doesn't "justify taking him at 14?????"

Power of name recognition. Was never the best guard in the league despite the all pro nod. Was basically Mike McGlinchey at guard.

Why would he need to be the best G in football to be drafted top 15 and worth the positional value? You have an odd devaluation of some positions. Who cares?

You should have far bigger concerns drafting run defending < 500 snap DT's like Solomon Thomas and Jevon Kinlaw top 14.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

You remember better than anyone they were cap strapped at that time and Iupati had a ton of injuries at that point and was still offered a ridiculous contract to leave. No doubt Harbaugh would have loved to have the league's best power pull G for Frank given 99.9% of his runs were in between the T's.

I understand not wanting to draft a higher IOL but then why would you want a run defending DT in the same breath? That's all I'm saying.

"Positional value" seems archaic at this point with some positions esp. given the overabundance of DT's on free agency now as a result and OL never making it to free agency (and for good reason). Positional value should also be a team-by-team faction.

What the league should be focusing on are players who have primary skill sets of pass rush and pass protection in this passing league.

We're exhibit A giving up 1,800 yards rushing a year every year (poor) and it having 0 effect on W-L's. We're showing you can throw in a whole host of run defenders (primary skill set) and get equal production from 1st to UDFA draft picks.

Guards and centers make FA all the time. Hell this year alone you will have Lindsay, Mack, Pouncey, Andrews, Scherff, Thuney. The number of guys who's primary skill set is pass protection can be counted on one hand.

Over abundance of DTs? Who was the last elite DT to hit FA? They all get signed too and to much bigger money than guards.

huh?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Why would he need to be the best G in football to be drafted top 15 and worth the positional value? You have an odd devaluation of some positions. Who cares?

You should have far bigger concerns drafting run defending < 500 snap DT's like Solomon Thomas and Jevon Kinlaw top 14.

Well despite the fact I wasn't a big Kinlaw guy coming out I'm willing to give him a chance, just like I gave Iupati. But then I don't root for failure for 9ers players or make determinations on what they can be based on limited samples to fit a narrative.

The guy who bemoans lineman who can't pass block didn't mind a guard in the first who couldn't pass block?

The guy who says DTs are a dime a dozen saying I have a weird devaluation of positions.

Originally posted by NCommand:

huh?

Self explanatory. Top guards hit FA far more often then top DTs. They also get paid considerably more. Even the run stuffers (Kenny Clark)

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

huh?

Self explanatory. Top guards hit FA far more often then top DTs. They also get paid considerably more. Even the run stuffers (Kenny Clark)

I just meant I'd be very surprised if any of those OL you list actually make it to FA except for age/injuries...maybe because of the new cap.

Did you see the FA list last year? I haven't looked this year but it should be chalk full of dime a dozen run defending specialists.

I agree though that PASS RUSHING DT's are not a dime a dozen like IOL who are high caliber pass protectors.

Those are the skills we should be looking for. Given you weren't big on Kinlaw originally, that's probably why.

I'm still with you in that I'm willing to see how it goes like with Solomon. But right now, he's not giving us the value that moves the needle.

FTR, Iupati was a wreck in PP too and believe me, I complained about him too like I do about Tomlinson right now. And they both have had Staley and Williams next to them.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
huh?

Self explanatory. Top guards hit FA far more often then top DTs. They also get paid considerably more. Even the run stuffers (Kenny Clark)

I just meant I'd be very surprised if any of those OL you list actually make it to FA except for age/injuries...maybe because of the new cap.

Did you see the FA list last year? I haven't looked this year but it should be chalk full of dime a dozen run defending specialists.

I agree though that PASS RUSHING DT's are not a dime a dozen like IOL who are high caliber pass protectors.

Those are the skills we should be looking for. Given you weren't big on Kinlaw originally, that's probably why.

I'm still with you in that I'm willing to see how it goes like with Solomon. But right now, he's not giving us the value that moves the needle.

FTR, Iupati was a wreck in PP too and believe me, I complained about him too like I do about Tomlinson right now. And they both have had Staley and Williams next to them.

basically get a top center to help the guards. resign TW. give mcglinch a few big macs. Line improved.

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

huh?

Self explanatory. Top guards hit FA far more often then top DTs. They also get paid considerably more. Even the run stuffers (Kenny Clark)

I just meant I'd be very surprised if any of those OL you list actually make it to FA except for age/injuries...maybe because of the new cap.

Did you see the FA list last year? I haven't looked this year but it should be chalk full of dime a dozen run defending specialists.

I agree though that PASS RUSHING DT's are not a dime a dozen like IOL who are high caliber pass protectors.

Those are the skills we should be looking for. Given you weren't big on Kinlaw originally, that's probably why.

I'm still with you in that I'm willing to see how it goes like with Solomon. But right now, he's not giving us the value that moves the needle.

FTR, Iupati was a wreck in PP too and believe me, I complained about him too like I do about Tomlinson right now. And they both have had Staley and Williams next to them.

basically get a top center to help the guards. resign TW. give mcglinch a few big macs. Line improved.

A top C would be huge. A top C that knows Kyle's system (because he calls the pass protection sets) would be enormous. You can hide subpar G's to an extent as long as the C and two T's are stellar. But as a unit, the whole unit from OL to RB to TE really needs to focus on this skill set badly.

Originally posted by NCommand:
A top C would be huge. A top C that knows Kyle's system (because he calls the pass protection sets) would be enormous. You can hide subpar G's to an extent as long as the C and two T's are stellar. But as a unit, the whole unit from OL to RB to TE really needs to focus on this skill set badly.

My hope is we land a Alex Mack/Mike Webster talent in this years draft! (yeah right, both are hall of fame level talent) but I can dream right?

Personally, If the center we pick in the draft can consistently call out the correct blitz and pass protections - as long as he's above average (but not outstanding) in both pass and run blocking, I don't need an Alex Mack or Mike Webster. Personally, I think we're too unbalanced and one sided (great run blocking - not so good at pass protection) that we can be stereotyped offensively.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

A top C would be huge. A top C that knows Kyle's system (because he calls the pass protection sets) would be enormous. You can hide subpar G's to an extent as long as the C and two T's are stellar. But as a unit, the whole unit from OL to RB to TE really needs to focus on this skill set badly.

My hope is we land a Alex Mack/Mike Webster talent in this years draft! (yeah right, both are hall of fame level talent) but I can dream right?

Personally, If the center we pick in the draft can consistently call out the correct blitz and pass protections - as long as he's above average (but not outstanding) in both pass and run blocking, I don't need an Alex Mack or Mike Webster. Personally, I think we're too unbalanced and one sided (great run blocking - not so good at pass protection) that we can be stereotyped offensively.

Yeah, 85% of all Shanahan's offenses pass under 15 yards, throw in a suspect pass protection line and you can see why teams run blitz esp. the A gaps and right side of the OL. It also forces guys like Kittle and Juice to stay in to help. Win-Win-Win for the defense.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A top C would be huge. A top C that knows Kyle's system (because he calls the pass protection sets) would be enormous. You can hide subpar G's to an extent as long as the C and two T's are stellar. But as a unit, the whole unit from OL to RB to TE really needs to focus on this skill set badly.

My hope is we land a Alex Mack/Mike Webster talent in this years draft! (yeah right, both are hall of fame level talent) but I can dream right?

Personally, If the center we pick in the draft can consistently call out the correct blitz and pass protections - as long as he's above average (but not outstanding) in both pass and run blocking, I don't need an Alex Mack or Mike Webster. Personally, I think we're too unbalanced and one sided (great run blocking - not so good at pass protection) that we can be stereotyped offensively.

Yeah, 85% of all Shanahan's offenses pass under 15 yards, throw in a suspect pass protection line and you can see why teams run blitz esp. the A gaps and right side of the OL. It also forces guys like Kittle and Juice to stay in to help. Win-Win-Win for the defense.

That area is still a big area - 15 yards deep and 50 yards wide. There are still holes to exploit in that area with Kyles play-pass and boot offense. Key is having a defense that can give the ball right back to a run-dominated offense. Having said that, Kyle's passing game is horizontal and you have such little depth and relying on width to free up your receivers, you need good receivers across that broad area to have a chance an getting a pass completion. Otherwise, the defense will flood the middle areas and force Jimmy to throw outside the hash-marks - which make it more of a angular deep throw for him and the odds of a completion drop.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

A top C would be huge. A top C that knows Kyle's system (because he calls the pass protection sets) would be enormous. You can hide subpar G's to an extent as long as the C and two T's are stellar. But as a unit, the whole unit from OL to RB to TE really needs to focus on this skill set badly.

My hope is we land a Alex Mack/Mike Webster talent in this years draft! (yeah right, both are hall of fame level talent) but I can dream right?

Personally, If the center we pick in the draft can consistently call out the correct blitz and pass protections - as long as he's above average (but not outstanding) in both pass and run blocking, I don't need an Alex Mack or Mike Webster. Personally, I think we're too unbalanced and one sided (great run blocking - not so good at pass protection) that we can be stereotyped offensively.

Yeah, 85% of all Shanahan's offenses pass under 15 yards, throw in a suspect pass protection line and you can see why teams run blitz esp. the A gaps and right side of the OL. It also forces guys like Kittle and Juice to stay in to help. Win-Win-Win for the defense.

That area is still a big area - 15 yards deep and 50 yards wide. There are still holes to exploit in that area with Kyles play-pass and boot offense. Key is having a defense that can give the ball right back to a run-dominated offense. Having said that, Kyle's passing game is horizontal and you have such little depth and relying on width to free up your receivers, you need good receivers across that broad area to have a chance an getting a pass completion. Otherwise, the defense will flood the middle areas and force Jimmy to throw outside the hash-marks - which make it more of a angular deep throw for him and the odds of a completion drop.

Definitely. That's why he's been looking for that 2nd TE to exploit those LB's and DB's laterally. A Shanahan is not a "vertical play caller." Maybe fans should pay more attention to who Kyle really is.

Looks like Kinlaw just had some procedure on his knee. PRP maybe?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKhKkFdnTT-EhKF0UHEmFKqeWK6-GlI28BZL-o0/?igshid=1x3ps3teclsmx

Originally posted by BYisGod:
Looks like Kinlaw just had some procedure on his knee. PRP maybe?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKhKkFdnTT-EhKF0UHEmFKqeWK6-GlI28BZL-o0/?igshid=1x3ps3teclsmx

I'm also wondering what's up.

Didn't see any description of exactly what went down...

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Looks like Kinlaw just had some procedure on his knee. PRP maybe?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKhKkFdnTT-EhKF0UHEmFKqeWK6-GlI28BZL-o0/?igshid=1x3ps3teclsmx

I'm also wondering what's up.

Didn't see any description of exactly what went down...

Right, I can't find any other information. My guess is that it wasn't anything serious—likely a maintenance thing.

Knee problems persist. Odd.