Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
This you?

"Bucko " Sucko " is a steady DT who many thinks has arrived as an All Pro.. but the truth is he's not even HALF WAY THERE yet ..."

"going back to the subject, NO ONE'S arguing how good of a STAR he is... but no, he is NOT a superstar..

last year was his "coming out" party, and this year, he needs to prove it if he's a SUPERSTAR.."

"... and when he lights it up this year, then he can be call a SUPERSTAR.. ..

.. no other excuses for him this year, right??"

You spent years arguing that he wasn't a superstar. And he wasn't worth top money. Now that he's gone, you want to call out the FO for letting a "Superstar" go. Cmon man

Lmao

it's called SARCASM.. genius !! I meant, GENUS !!!

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
It's 10 or he's heading to that BUST line !!

What a terrible take lol

Yeah, Kinlaw's main responsibility will be stopping the run and eating up double teams to allow the LB's to eat. It would be a bonus if he is a threat as a pass rusher too, if for nothing else to allow Bosa to play as much 1 vs 1 as possible. Kinlaw will be one of the interesting watches early in the season.

.. SO, we traded a SUPERSTAR for a player that need to stop the run ??

NO COMEBACK ??

This you?

"Bucko " Sucko " is a steady DT who many thinks has arrived as an All Pro.. but the truth is he's not even HALF WAY THERE yet ..."

"going back to the subject, NO ONE'S arguing how good of a STAR he is... but no, he is NOT a superstar..

last year was his "coming out" party, and this year, he needs to prove it if he's a SUPERSTAR.."

"... and when he lights it up this year, then he can be call a SUPERSTAR.. ..

.. no other excuses for him this year, right??"

You spent years arguing that he wasn't a superstar. And he wasn't worth top money. Now that he's gone, you want to call out the FO for letting a "Superstar" go. Cmon man

Damnnnnn. Good recon soldier

hes going to sack murray multiple times...already training for it by eating squirrels in his off time

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
It's 10 or he's heading to that BUST line !!

What a terrible take lol

Yeah, Kinlaw's main responsibility will be stopping the run and eating up double teams to allow the LB's to eat. It would be a bonus if he is a threat as a pass rusher too, if for nothing else to allow Bosa to play as much 1 vs 1 as possible. Kinlaw will be one of the interesting watches early in the season.

.. SO, we traded a SUPERSTAR for a player that need to stop the run ??

NO COMEBACK ??

This you?

"Bucko " Sucko " is a steady DT who many thinks has arrived as an All Pro.. but the truth is he's not even HALF WAY THERE yet ..."

"going back to the subject, NO ONE'S arguing how good of a STAR he is... but no, he is NOT a superstar..

last year was his "coming out" party, and this year, he needs to prove it if he's a SUPERSTAR.."

"... and when he lights it up this year, then he can be call a SUPERSTAR.. ..

.. no other excuses for him this year, right??"

You spent years arguing that he wasn't a superstar. And he wasn't worth top money. Now that he's gone, you want to call out the FO for letting a "Superstar" go. Cmon man

Damnnnnn. Good recon soldier

UHMMM, now show me a post where I said I BELIEVE that he's a SUPERSTAR...

the fact is you all were the one CALLING HIM a SUPERSTAR but yet, you all agreed that trading him was the RIGHT thing to do..

c'monnnn... who's crackin ???

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
It's 10 or he's heading to that BUST line !!

What a terrible take lol

Yeah, Kinlaw's main responsibility will be stopping the run and eating up double teams to allow the LB's to eat. It would be a bonus if he is a threat as a pass rusher too, if for nothing else to allow Bosa to play as much 1 vs 1 as possible. Kinlaw will be one of the interesting watches early in the season.

.. SO, we traded a SUPERSTAR for a player that need to stop the run ??

NO COMEBACK ??

This you?

"Bucko " Sucko " is a steady DT who many thinks has arrived as an All Pro.. but the truth is he's not even HALF WAY THERE yet ..."

"going back to the subject, NO ONE'S arguing how good of a STAR he is... but no, he is NOT a superstar..

last year was his "coming out" party, and this year, he needs to prove it if he's a SUPERSTAR.."

"... and when he lights it up this year, then he can be call a SUPERSTAR.. ..

.. no other excuses for him this year, right??"

You spent years arguing that he wasn't a superstar. And he wasn't worth top money. Now that he's gone, you want to call out the FO for letting a "Superstar" go. Cmon man

Damnnnnn. Good recon soldier

UHMMM, now show me a post where I said I BELIEVE that he's a SUPERSTAR...

the fact is you all were the one CALLING HIM a SUPERSTAR but yet, you all agreed that trading him was the RIGHT thing to do..

c'monnnn... who's crackin ???

Trading Buckner was the right thing to do. DID YOU SEE HOW MUCH THE COLTS PAID HIM WE ARE NOT SPENDING THAT MUCH CAP ON HIM OR ELSE WE WON'T RESIGN GUYS LIKE FRED AND NICK BOSA!!!

Originally posted by 9moon:
.. SO, we traded a SUPERSTAR for a player that need to stop the run ??

This is you calling Buckner a SUPERSTAR

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
This you?

"Bucko " Sucko " is a steady DT who many thinks has arrived as an All Pro.. but the truth is he's not even HALF WAY THERE yet ..."

"going back to the subject, NO ONE'S arguing how good of a STAR he is... but no, he is NOT a superstar..

last year was his "coming out" party, and this year, he needs to prove it if he's a SUPERSTAR.."

"... and when he lights it up this year, then he can be call a SUPERSTAR.. ..

.. no other excuses for him this year, right??"

You spent years arguing that he wasn't a superstar. And he wasn't worth top money. Now that he's gone, you want to call out the FO for letting a "Superstar" go. Cmon man

This is 9moon getting called out. Lol

Originally posted by 9moon:
UHMMM, now show me a post where I said I BELIEVE that he's a SUPERSTAR...

the fact is you all were the one CALLING HIM a SUPERSTAR but yet, you all agreed that trading him was the RIGHT thing to do..

c'monnnn... who's crackin ???

This is 9moon confused about being called out claiming he didn't call Buckner a SUPERSTAR.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
.. SO, we traded a SUPERSTAR for a player that need to stop the run ??

This is you calling Buckner a SUPERSTAR

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
This you?

"Bucko " Sucko " is a steady DT who many thinks has arrived as an All Pro.. but the truth is he's not even HALF WAY THERE yet ..."

"going back to the subject, NO ONE'S arguing how good of a STAR he is... but no, he is NOT a superstar..

last year was his "coming out" party, and this year, he needs to prove it if he's a SUPERSTAR.."

"... and when he lights it up this year, then he can be call a SUPERSTAR.. ..

.. no other excuses for him this year, right??"

You spent years arguing that he wasn't a superstar. And he wasn't worth top money. Now that he's gone, you want to call out the FO for letting a "Superstar" go. Cmon man

This is 9moon getting called out. Lol

Originally posted by 9moon:
UHMMM, now show me a post where I said I BELIEVE that he's a SUPERSTAR...

the fact is you all were the one CALLING HIM a SUPERSTAR but yet, you all agreed that trading him was the RIGHT thing to do..

c'monnnn... who's crackin ???

This is 9moon confused about being called out claiming he didn't call Buckner a SUPERSTAR.

My favorite thing about 9moon is him capitalizing random words.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
My favorite thing about 9moon is him capitalizing random words.

Please don't feed the animals

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Yeah, Kinlaw's main responsibility will be stopping the run and eating up double teams to allow the LB's to eat. It would be a bonus if he is a threat as a pass rusher too, if for nothing else to allow Bosa to play as much 1 vs 1 as possible. Kinlaw will be one of the interesting watches early in the season.

That's not accurate--at least not in this system. This is a penetrating defense meaning Kinlaw's job is to attack. "Play the run on the way to the QB" is one of the heuristics used to teach this system. Kocurek doesn't want his IDL getting stuck on blocks. He wants them in the backfield.

Make no mistake about it: Kinlaw was drafted to rush the passer. You don't draft an interior DL 14th overall to stop the run. Those type of players can be found on day 3 or available off the street as FAs. Kinlaw was drafted because he possesses elite pass-rushing traits, and the team is banking on him eventually learning to use those traits.

Bingo.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 9moon:
It's 10 or he's heading to that BUST line !!

Nah, double-digit sacks for interior DL is an extremely difficult thing. Kinlaw just needs to show that he's getting better(by a lot). ~5 high-quality sacks where he dominates his opponent and a bunch of QB hits and pressures would be a great season for him.

Unfortunately, reading that he had knee issues last season is very disconcerting. This was a known issue about him coming out of the draft. A guy that big that struggles with pad level and has knee issues is a terrible combination.

That may be the reason ShanaLynch went after Hurst. We'll just have to wait and see if Kinlaw's knee becomes a Dee Ford issue or not. I'm confident that they can get a DT in the draft to replace Kinlaw if his knee becomes an issue. They've been pretty good in the later rounds finding guys like Julian Taylor and dj Jones.

I think the bigger issue going forward is the DE pass rusher. Arden Key is unknown in our scheme, and Bosa is comming of a serious knee injury. I hope they will devote some draft capital next year to get better depth and possible talent at the DLine positions. But I like what they did in the offseason with the free agent DLine signings and i think they went that way because of a weak DLine rookie crop.

Way too many derps in the Niner fanbase calling Kinlaw a bust because of his sack total in his rookie year.

He has the physical ability to dominate, and he has the drive to be great. We all knew coming out of college that he was basically a raw, bull rusher type guy who needed to learn different pass rush moves. He will get there.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 9moon:
It's 10 or he's heading to that BUST line !!

Nah, double-digit sacks for interior DL is an extremely difficult thing. Kinlaw just needs to show that he's getting better(by a lot). ~5 high-quality sacks where he dominates his opponent and a bunch of QB hits and pressures would be a great season for him.

Unfortunately, reading that he had knee issues last season is very disconcerting. This was a known issue about him coming out of the draft. A guy that big that struggles with pad level and has knee issues is a terrible combination.

That may be the reason ShanaLynch went after Hurst. We'll just have to wait and see if Kinlaw's knee becomes a Dee Ford issue or not. I'm confident that they can get a DT in the draft to replace Kinlaw if his knee becomes an issue. They've been pretty good in the later rounds finding guys like Julian Taylor and dj Jones.

I think the bigger issue going forward is the DE pass rusher. Arden Key is unknown in our scheme, and Bosa is comming of a serious knee injury. I hope they will devote some draft capital next year to get better depth and possible talent at the DLine positions. But I like what they did in the offseason with the free agent DLine signings and i think they went that way because of a weak DLine rookie crop.

I think had more to do with the uncertainty around Kevin Givens assault case.

The knee issue was just a bone bruise. If that were an issue right now he wouldn't be participating in the offseason conditioning program

Originally posted by Heroism:
That's not accurate--at least not in this system. This is a penetrating defense meaning Kinlaw's job is to attack. "Play the run on the way to the QB" is one of the heuristics used to teach this system. Kocurek doesn't want his IDL getting stuck on blocks. He wants them in the backfield.

Make no mistake about it: Kinlaw was drafted to rush the passer. You don't draft an interior DL 14th overall to stop the run. Those type of players can be found on day 3 or available off the street as FAs. Kinlaw was drafted because he possesses elite pass-rushing traits, and the team is banking on him eventually learning to use those traits.

Not making me feel good Hero. This is the first time i heard he had knee problems..that explains a lot. Not good.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not making me feel good Hero. This is the first time i heard he had knee problems..that explains a lot. Not good.

Yeah, it surfaced during the draft process that he had knee tendonitis. What we didn't know was that it flared up last year. That's not a good sign.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not making me feel good Hero. This is the first time i heard he had knee problems..that explains a lot. Not good.

Yeah, it surfaced during the draft process that he had knee tendonitis. What we didn't know was that it flared up last year. That's not a good sign.

After a dominant two days, South Carolina DT Javon Kinlaw is done for the week at the Senior Bowl, sources say. He's been dealing with a little tendinitis in one of his knees. Just being smart with a first-round talent.

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) January 23, 2020