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Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Let's hope Kinlaw makes us not keep missing Buckner.

I miss big uce 99.


i really hope the choice of moving Buckner instead of Armstead was not a Saleh move.

I feel like we're going to regret that move forever.

Give me a break man. Buckner was a great player and person but holy overreaction.

What did we win with Buckner before Bosa/Ford got here? Before Warner turned into one of the best linebackers in the game?

He's not Aaron Donald. Losing him isn't going to break this franchise for crying out loud. It wasn't Buckner for Kinlaw. Not sure how many times it has to be said.

The move allowed us to retain a lot of talent last year in an attempt to make another run at the SB. Just because the year was a fail with all the injuries doesn't mean the move didn't make sense at the time.

It's very likely without Buckner being traded we don't have Kinlaw(certainty), Aiyuk(possibly), Verrett, Brunskill and some other players we were able to sign last year and then retain this offseason due to the cap savings we got moving him last offseason.

We didn't trade a dominant QB, DE, LT or CB. As good as Buckner was his position and his level of play at that position isn't something to haunt a franchise for years.

I'd rather make the move that they made and keep guys like Kittle, Warner and Bosa than extend Buckner to a huge deal and possibly not have the space to keep one of those guys.

my point is Buckner> Armstead.

We could have paid the little extra for Buckner to keep him and been fine. Let Armstead go or trade him.

My question is what has Armstead done when Bosa, Ford, Warner when these guys weren't around? Nothing

Buckner at least was solid since day 1 and only got better. He's no Donald, correct. But he was still solid and better than Armstead and it's not even close.

Is that a point or a fact? I'm pretty sure Armstead's mom would agree with that.

It wasn't Buckner or Armstead situation. It was Buckner vs Armstead, Ward, Kinlaw, and a bunch of other players while also balancing the future state of the roster. The team saw several players on the roster they knew would demand top of their position salaries or close to it. Buckner simply played a position which didn't merit that type of deal based on what they thought.

And we couldn't trade Armstead, he was a free agent. Nor would he fetch nearly as much in trade even if we could trade him. Armstead also plays DE and inside. His position versatility makes him valuable in that way.

I think Armstead never sees the big money on his contract unless he kills it this year. They made the move looking to keep as much of their SB roster in place while ensuring they have depth to make another run. We'll see what happens this year but either way our defense even with all the injuries produced at a high level without him so how valuable could you really claim he was? I mean we'd all love to keep him but his loss wasn't as detrimental as you or others claim. Certainly nowhere near "regret this move forever" territory.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea it is pretty weird that a guy who isn't even practicing in contact drills pops up with a banged up shoulder

He was and he was looking great too. Poor Grant Cohn had to put him on his good list after trashing him for sitting our practice the whole time.
Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
Well i have yet to see someone do what Buckner did. I feel like our success in the run stop in 2019 had to do a lot with Defo.

I mean our replacement is already banged, and most of our DT's were banged up last season.

i just want to see that interior side of our DL be dominate again this season.

You realize you're kind of bashing him with this comment right?

Considering our defense was much better vs the run in 2020 lol.
2019 - 17th in rushing yards allowed, 7th in rushing TDs allowed
2020 - 7th in rushing yards allowed, 4th in rushing TDs allowed
Originally posted by genus49:
We still pining for Buckner? Let it go people…

We're pointing out we are a worse team without him.
Originally posted by genus49:
You realize you're kind of bashing him with this comment right?

Considering our defense was much better vs the run in 2020 lol.
2019 - 17th in rushing yards allowed, 7th in rushing TDs allowed
2020 - 7th in rushing yards allowed, 4th in rushing TDs allowed

Ya, run defense was his liability. He wasn't big and strong enough to hold up against double teams. But in pass rush situations, there wasn't a guard in the league that could pass block against him 1-on-1.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
We're pointing out we are a worse team without him.

I would say we are a different team than 2019, not necessarily worse. And once Lance begins to start, we could surpass 2019.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
Well i have yet to see someone do what Buckner did. I feel like our success in the run stop in 2019 had to do a lot with Defo.

I mean our replacement is already banged, and most of our DT's were banged up last season.

i just want to see that interior side of our DL be dominate again this season.

You realize you're kind of bashing him with this comment right?

Considering our defense was much better vs the run in 2020 lol.
2019 - 17th in rushing yards allowed, 7th in rushing TDs allowed
2020 - 7th in rushing yards allowed, 4th in rushing TDs allowed
Sad that our fan base keeps repeating BS, hopefully he will take your info Genus and learn from it.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by genus49:
You realize you're kind of bashing him with this comment right?

Considering our defense was much better vs the run in 2020 lol.
2019 - 17th in rushing yards allowed, 7th in rushing TDs allowed
2020 - 7th in rushing yards allowed, 4th in rushing TDs allowed

Ya, run defense was his liability. He wasn't big and strong enough to hold up against double teams. But in pass rush situations, there wasn't a guard in the league that could pass block against him 1-on-1.
in 2019 he should have had a monster year, nothing. Last year the guy was getting stood up 1v1 all year
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
Well i have yet to see someone do what Buckner did. I feel like our success in the run stop in 2019 had to do a lot with Defo.

I mean our replacement is already banged, and most of our DT's were banged up last season.

i just want to see that interior side of our DL be dominate again this season.

You realize you're kind of bashing him with this comment right?

Considering our defense was much better vs the run in 2020 lol.
2019 - 17th in rushing yards allowed, 7th in rushing TDs allowed
2020 - 7th in rushing yards allowed, 4th in rushing TDs allowed

Touche,

I guess it didn't seem that way to me last season.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
Well i have yet to see someone do what Buckner did. I feel like our success in the run stop in 2019 had to do a lot with Defo.

I mean our replacement is already banged, and most of our DT's were banged up last season.

i just want to see that interior side of our DL be dominate again this season.

You realize you're kind of bashing him with this comment right?

Considering our defense was much better vs the run in 2020 lol.
2019 - 17th in rushing yards allowed, 7th in rushing TDs allowed
2020 - 7th in rushing yards allowed, 4th in rushing TDs allowed
Sad that our fan base keeps repeating BS, hopefully he will take your info Genus and learn from it.

Can we all agree that neither Kinlaw nor Defo's team won Jack last year? Donald has never won anything either. DT is important to have but maybe not worth the high draft pick we spent when other options were available. Like RB's, their simply aren't any worth a first round pick.
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Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
Well i have yet to see someone do what Buckner did. I feel like our success in the run stop in 2019 had to do a lot with Defo.

I mean our replacement is already banged, and most of our DT's were banged up last season.

i just want to see that interior side of our DL be dominate again this season.

You realize you're kind of bashing him with this comment right?

Considering our defense was much better vs the run in 2020 lol.
2019 - 17th in rushing yards allowed, 7th in rushing TDs allowed
2020 - 7th in rushing yards allowed, 4th in rushing TDs allowed
Sad that our fan base keeps repeating BS, hopefully he will take your info Genus and learn from it.

Can we all agree that neither Kinlaw nor Defo's team won Jack last year? Donald has never won anything either. DT is important to have but maybe not worth the high draft pick we spent when other options were available. Like RB's, their simply aren't any worth a first round pick.

So either a player has to win the SB or they haven't won anything? That's a very black and white way to look at a player's success in the league.
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originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
Can we all agree that neither Kinlaw nor Defo's team won Jack last year? Donald has never won anything either. DT is important to have but maybe not worth the high draft pick we spent when other options were available. Like RB's, their simply aren't any worth a first round pick.

Building and maintaining a dominant dline and passrush is worth using a first rounder every year.
[ Edited by All22 on Aug 19, 2021 at 9:21 AM ]
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea it is pretty weird that a guy who isn't even practicing in contact drills pops up with a banged up shoulder

He was and he was looking great too. Poor Grant Cohn had to put him on his good list after trashing him for sitting our practice the whole time.

Dude's had 8 snaps all off season. Maybe he hurt his shoulder getting up from a chair.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Dude's had 8 snaps all off season. Maybe he hurt his shoulder getting up from a chair.

Another built-in excuse for Kinlaw if he underperforms this season.

"He had an irregular offseason again"

"He missed training camp"

"It's only his 2nd season!"

[ Edited by Heroism on Aug 19, 2021 at 4:09 PM ]
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