Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by cciowa:
i get up on sunday morning and suddenly find out that NC is a chargers fan. i hate sunday mornings on the zone. remember the days when aldon smith played and we were afraid to get up and read on sunday morning what he did on saturday night?

That's probably because some Insist on bashing certain Individuals just because they we're drafted over their draft crushes..

LOL. I literally just used Banks (2nd) and Hurd (3rd) as having the same 'exact' concern/issue. But homers have no issues with Kinlaw? The 14th pick overall pick at a critical 3T? Odd.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. TBF, everybody beats Daniel Brunskill.

We want the same thing. I'm just saying he's had about as many off season snaps as last year during a COVID off season.

And it's because of injuries. It's not about how the team is managing those issues but that the young player himself struggles getting critical snaps to allow him to grow.

You seem perfectly fine with limited snaps and growth as long as he can start week 1. I'm not. I think he, like the aforementioned players, need every snap they can get as they need massive growth esp. Kinlaw for year 2 if he's going to make a jump in the pass rush department. We don't need run defenders at 3T. We need pass rushers.

Let me put it this way…

Kinlaw can sit out practice and get as healthy as possible for the regular season or he can go out there and risk making his injury worse and miss time for games that count.

Are you asking him to push through the injury and risk that?

Then again you do love your injury thread 🤬

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


This is me thinking about our D-line's core/impact players all haven't really practiced or played in any games preseason for a few months or so.......(Bosa, Kinlaw, Ford)

What? Bosa and Ford have practiced a ton!

I know Ford has, but Bosa hasn't really touched or hit anyone in practice besides his individual drills? I could be wrong though...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. TBF, everybody beats Daniel Brunskill.

We want the same thing. I'm just saying he's had about as many off season snaps as last year during a COVID off season.

And it's because of injuries. It's not about how the team is managing those issues but that the young player himself struggles getting critical snaps to allow him to grow.

You seem perfectly fine with limited snaps and growth as long as he can start week 1. I'm not. I think he, like the aforementioned players, need every snap they can get as they need massive growth esp. Kinlaw for year 2 if he's going to make a jump in the pass rush department. We don't need run defenders at 3T. We need pass rushers.

Let me put it this way…

Kinlaw can sit out practice and get as healthy as possible for the regular season or he can go out there and risk making his injury worse and miss time for games that count.

Are you asking him to push through the injury and risk that?

Then again you do love your injury thread 🤬

Is his knee and now, shoulder going to allow him to even be IN position to be in football shape for week 1, let alone be in position to make a contribution?

Dude clearly has chronic knee issues so this is very concerning with week 1 looming.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


This is me thinking about our D-line's core/impact players all haven't really practiced or played in any games preseason for a few months or so.......(Bosa, Kinlaw, Ford)

What? Bosa and Ford have practiced a ton!

I know Ford has, but Bosa hasn't really touched or hit anyone in practice besides his individual drills? I could be wrong though...

I just mean they both have been participating nearly daily with no set backs and less and less "maintenance days" needed.

Kinlaw, on the other hand, has not.

THE NOT SO GOOD

1. Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw.

Still didn't participate in 1 on 1s. Is the only player on the defensive line who has sat out that drill all 18 days of camp. Which is strange, because Kinlaw played in 11 on 11s today. Too bad. He needs 1 on 1s to improve as a pass rusher.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


This is me thinking about our D-line's core/impact players all haven't really practiced or played in any games preseason for a few months or so.......(Bosa, Kinlaw, Ford)

What? Bosa and Ford have practiced a ton!

I know Ford has, but Bosa hasn't really touched or hit anyone in practice besides his individual drills? I could be wrong though...

I just mean they both have been participating nearly daily with no set backs and less and less "maintenance days" needed.

Kinlaw, on the other hand, has not.

THE NOT SO GOOD

1. Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw.

Still didn't participate in 1 on 1s. Is the only player on the defensive line who has sat out that drill all 18 days of camp. Which is strange, because Kinlaw played in 11 on 11s today. Too bad. He needs 1 on 1s to improve as a pass rusher.

lol you're reaching so hard i'm worried you'll end up in the injury thread as one of the listed players.

And stooping to new lows to bringing up Grant's stuff. He participated in team practice and well by most accounts(aka not Grant) but because he hasn't done 1 on 1 drills he's not so good lol?

I know i'm super concerned about his 1 on 1 matchups because how often is he going to be playing 11 on 11 football?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


This is me thinking about our D-line's core/impact players all haven't really practiced or played in any games preseason for a few months or so.......(Bosa, Kinlaw, Ford)

What? Bosa and Ford have practiced a ton!

I know Ford has, but Bosa hasn't really touched or hit anyone in practice besides his individual drills? I could be wrong though...

I just mean they both have been participating nearly daily with no set backs and less and less "maintenance days" needed.

Kinlaw, on the other hand, has not.

THE NOT SO GOOD

1. Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw.

Still didn't participate in 1 on 1s. Is the only player on the defensive line who has sat out that drill all 18 days of camp. Which is strange, because Kinlaw played in 11 on 11s today. Too bad. He needs 1 on 1s to improve as a pass rusher.

lol you're reaching so hard i'm worried you'll end up in the injury thread as one of the listed players.

And stooping to new lows to bringing up Grant's stuff. He participated in team practice and well by most accounts(aka not Grant) but because he hasn't done 1 on 1 drills he's not so good lol?

I know i'm super concerned about his 1 on 1 matchups because how often is he going to be playing 11 on 11 football?

We will see how he looks but Grant isn't wrong. Major way you get better at pass rushing is 1 on 1's. Players can try moves and then get critiqued by the coaches and then get feedback on what they need to work on. Can alps get some tips from the o lineman on what gave them trouble. Critical drill for o line and d line. Especially with a young guy who didn't get these reps last year. It's not like we talking about a seasoned vet. I agree with you that I wouldn't risk him now and save him for the season. But as NC stated he won't be better without practice.

Originally posted by lamontb:
We will see how he looks but Grant isn't wrong. Major way you get better at pass rushing is 1 on 1's. Players can try moves and then get critiqued by the coaches and then get feedback on what they need to work on. Can alps get some tips from the o lineman on what gave them trouble. Critical drill for o line and d line. Especially with a young guy who didn't get these reps last year. It's not like we talking about a seasoned vet. I agree with you that I wouldn't risk him now and save him for the season. But as NC stated he won't be better without practice.

But grant said…look at you .

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


This is me thinking about our D-line's core/impact players all haven't really practiced or played in any games preseason for a few months or so.......(Bosa, Kinlaw, Ford)

What? Bosa and Ford have practiced a ton!

I know Ford has, but Bosa hasn't really touched or hit anyone in practice besides his individual drills? I could be wrong though...

I just mean they both have been participating nearly daily with no set backs and less and less "maintenance days" needed.

Kinlaw, on the other hand, has not.

THE NOT SO GOOD

1. Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw.

Still didn't participate in 1 on 1s. Is the only player on the defensive line who has sat out that drill all 18 days of camp. Which is strange, because Kinlaw played in 11 on 11s today. Too bad. He needs 1 on 1s to improve as a pass rusher.

lol you're reaching so hard i'm worried you'll end up in the injury thread as one of the listed players.

And stooping to new lows to bringing up Grant's stuff. He participated in team practice and well by most accounts(aka not Grant) but because he hasn't done 1 on 1 drills he's not so good lol?

I know i'm super concerned about his 1 on 1 matchups because how often is he going to be playing 11 on 11 football?

We will see how he looks but Grant isn't wrong. Major way you get better at pass rushing is 1 on 1's. Players can try moves and then get critiqued by the coaches and then get feedback on what they need to work on. Can alps get some tips from the o lineman on what gave them trouble. Critical drill for o line and d line. Especially with a young guy who didn't get these reps last year. It's not like we talking about a seasoned vet. I agree with you that I wouldn't risk him now and save him for the season. But as NC stated he won't be better without practice.

Major way you get better at pass rushing as a DT isn't necessarily 1 on 1s. I'd say working out to become more explosive, stronger, working on technique and film study of your opponents combine to be a lot more helpful in the long term.

As always of course I'd prefer these guys are out there for every rep they can get but team drills > 1 on 1s.

It's really no different than saying CBs best way to improve in coverage is in 1 on 1s but the scheme and where your help is/pass rush is goes a long way. Yes the trenches are closer to 1 on 1 combat but you're still playing with your linemates and at DT you're likely to see more double teams than other positions.

Either way if we had to see him out there for 1 on 1s or 11 on 11, i'm picking the later. That's how the games are played.

We'll see if Kinlaw is having issues rushing the passer this year. I'm confident he's going to have a nice jump in pass rushing either way and trust the coaches to do what's best for him to be ready for the season.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


This is me thinking about our D-line's core/impact players all haven't really practiced or played in any games preseason for a few months or so.......(Bosa, Kinlaw, Ford)

What? Bosa and Ford have practiced a ton!

I know Ford has, but Bosa hasn't really touched or hit anyone in practice besides his individual drills? I could be wrong though...

I just mean they both have been participating nearly daily with no set backs and less and less "maintenance days" needed.

Kinlaw, on the other hand, has not.

THE NOT SO GOOD

1. Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw.

Still didn't participate in 1 on 1s. Is the only player on the defensive line who has sat out that drill all 18 days of camp. Which is strange, because Kinlaw played in 11 on 11s today. Too bad. He needs 1 on 1s to improve as a pass rusher.

lol you're reaching so hard i'm worried you'll end up in the injury thread as one of the listed players.

And stooping to new lows to bringing up Grant's stuff. He participated in team practice and well by most accounts(aka not Grant) but because he hasn't done 1 on 1 drills he's not so good lol?

I know i'm super concerned about his 1 on 1 matchups because how often is he going to be playing 11 on 11 football?

We will see how he looks but Grant isn't wrong. Major way you get better at pass rushing is 1 on 1's. Players can try moves and then get critiqued by the coaches and then get feedback on what they need to work on. Can alps get some tips from the o lineman on what gave them trouble. Critical drill for o line and d line. Especially with a young guy who didn't get these reps last year. It's not like we talking about a seasoned vet. I agree with you that I wouldn't risk him now and save him for the season. But as NC stated he won't be better without practice.

Of which is the entire point. Genus has special skills at ignoring evidence for rainbows and sunshine takes.

Either way, I hope it's much ado about nothing and he comes out of the gates firing, is more polished as a pass rusher and contributes 70+ % of the snaps for 17+ games and shines as a pass rusher at the premier DT/3T position in a W9.

The odds of that???

JFC

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


This is me thinking about our D-line's core/impact players all haven't really practiced or played in any games preseason for a few months or so.......(Bosa, Kinlaw, Ford)

What? Bosa and Ford have practiced a ton!

I know Ford has, but Bosa hasn't really touched or hit anyone in practice besides his individual drills? I could be wrong though...

I just mean they both have been participating nearly daily with no set backs and less and less "maintenance days" needed.

Kinlaw, on the other hand, has not.

THE NOT SO GOOD

1. Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw.

Still didn't participate in 1 on 1s. Is the only player on the defensive line who has sat out that drill all 18 days of camp. Which is strange, because Kinlaw played in 11 on 11s today. Too bad. He needs 1 on 1s to improve as a pass rusher.

lol you're reaching so hard i'm worried you'll end up in the injury thread as one of the listed players.

And stooping to new lows to bringing up Grant's stuff. He participated in team practice and well by most accounts(aka not Grant) but because he hasn't done 1 on 1 drills he's not so good lol?

I know i'm super concerned about his 1 on 1 matchups because how often is he going to be playing 11 on 11 football?

We will see how he looks but Grant isn't wrong. Major way you get better at pass rushing is 1 on 1's. Players can try moves and then get critiqued by the coaches and then get feedback on what they need to work on. Can alps get some tips from the o lineman on what gave them trouble. Critical drill for o line and d line. Especially with a young guy who didn't get these reps last year. It's not like we talking about a seasoned vet. I agree with you that I wouldn't risk him now and save him for the season. But as NC stated he won't be better without practice.

Of which is the entire point. Genus has special skills at ignoring evidence for rainbows and sunshine takes.

Either way, I hope it's much ado about nothing and he comes out of the gates firing, is more polished as a pass rusher and contributes 70+ % of the snaps for 17+ games and shines as a pass rusher at the premier DT/3T position in a W9.

The odds of that???

Is it rainbows and sunshine or patience?

I don't like to spend my time b***hing and worrying about things that haven't happened yet...too much stress in my life as it is without that.

If Kinlaw goes out there in the regular season and still looks like a run stopper who can't get pressure with consistency then I'll be in here saying I'm concerned with you.

Until that actually happens I'm not going to freak out over Kinlaw not getting 1 on 1 reps in camp.

Are you in the Aaron Banks thread saying we never should've drafted Banks because he's not out there practicing right now?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


This is me thinking about our D-line's core/impact players all haven't really practiced or played in any games preseason for a few months or so.......(Bosa, Kinlaw, Ford)

What? Bosa and Ford have practiced a ton!

I know Ford has, but Bosa hasn't really touched or hit anyone in practice besides his individual drills? I could be wrong though...

I just mean they both have been participating nearly daily with no set backs and less and less "maintenance days" needed.

Kinlaw, on the other hand, has not.

THE NOT SO GOOD

1. Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw.

Still didn't participate in 1 on 1s. Is the only player on the defensive line who has sat out that drill all 18 days of camp. Which is strange, because Kinlaw played in 11 on 11s today. Too bad. He needs 1 on 1s to improve as a pass rusher.

lol you're reaching so hard i'm worried you'll end up in the injury thread as one of the listed players.

And stooping to new lows to bringing up Grant's stuff. He participated in team practice and well by most accounts(aka not Grant) but because he hasn't done 1 on 1 drills he's not so good lol?

I know i'm super concerned about his 1 on 1 matchups because how often is he going to be playing 11 on 11 football?

We will see how he looks but Grant isn't wrong. Major way you get better at pass rushing is 1 on 1's. Players can try moves and then get critiqued by the coaches and then get feedback on what they need to work on. Can alps get some tips from the o lineman on what gave them trouble. Critical drill for o line and d line. Especially with a young guy who didn't get these reps last year. It's not like we talking about a seasoned vet. I agree with you that I wouldn't risk him now and save him for the season. But as NC stated he won't be better without practice.

Of which is the entire point. Genus has special skills at ignoring evidence for rainbows and sunshine takes.

Either way, I hope it's much ado about nothing and he comes out of the gates firing, is more polished as a pass rusher and contributes 70+ % of the snaps for 17+ games and shines as a pass rusher at the premier DT/3T position in a W9.

The odds of that???

Is it rainbows and sunshine or patience?

I don't like to spend my time b***hing and worrying about things that haven't happened yet...too much stress in my life as it is without that.

If Kinlaw goes out there in the regular season and still looks like a run stopper who can't get pressure with consistency then I'll be in here saying I'm concerned with you.

Until that actually happens I'm not going to freak out over Kinlaw not getting 1 on 1 reps in camp.

Are you in the Aaron Banks thread saying we never should've drafted Banks because he's not out there practicing right now?

Haha. I'm not even concerned about him just being a run defender at this point. I'm concerned he won't physically make it very long, period. And the perpetual physical health issue has disallowed him to make any strides thus far.

But fair enough. If it wasn't such an important position I wouldn't care 'as' much.

Heck yeah! I'm equally concerned with RG. Another critically important position for us.

Originally posted by cciowa:
i get up on sunday morning and suddenly find out that NC is a chargers fan. i hate sunday mornings on the zone. remember the days when aldon smith played and we were afraid to get up and read on sunday morning what he did on saturday night?

Hands on hips

Originally posted by cciowa:
i get up on sunday morning and suddenly find out that NC is a chargers fan. i hate sunday mornings on the zone. remember the days when aldon smith played and we were afraid to get up and read on sunday morning what he did on saturday night?

I totally missed NC switching teams. Wow.