Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, knee injury red flags from college/combine, pass rush not a strength, raw as hell, only 500 snaps last year, off season surgery, took about 8 snaps all pre season, now isn't playing week 1, etc.

Only a special breed of fans can spin this one as it being no big deal AS it stands TODAY.

Incredible.

Good thing DT's are a dime a dozen (which was the original reason NOT to take him in the first place and use that pick on a more valuable position which has certainly worked out of the gate for Dallas and Tampa).

Breathe

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, knee injury red flags from college/combine, pass rush not a strength, raw as hell, only 500 snaps last year, off season surgery, took about 8 snaps all pre season, now isn't playing week 1, etc.

Only a special breed of fans can spin this one as it being no big deal AS it stands TODAY.

Incredible.

Good thing DT's are a dime a dozen (which was the original reason NOT to take him in the first place and use that pick on a more valuable position which has certainly worked out of the gate for Dallas and Tampa).

NC you know this is shots fired at NY

It is what it is at this point with him. If it's a season long issue, and he doesn't show improvement if/when he does play this season, then it's a concern. The only thing I hated about this situation is the way he came across in his social media telling everyone he isn't injured when at the same time he missed the majority of everything due to injury lol

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, knee injury red flags from college/combine, pass rush not a strength, raw as hell, only 500 snaps last year, off season surgery, took about 8 snaps all pre season, now isn't playing week 1, etc.

Only a special breed of fans can spin this one as it being no big deal AS it stands TODAY.

Incredible.

Good thing DT's are a dime a dozen (which was the original reason NOT to take him in the first place and use that pick on a more valuable position which has certainly worked out of the gate for Dallas and Tampa).

NC you know this is shots fired at NY

pay per view boxing exhibition match NY vs Ncommand!

move over paul brothers!

I want to say something about drafting guys with an injury history in college.

If we didn't take a chance on guys that were hurt in college, we wouldn't have had Frank Gore. Or Nick Bosa. I'm sure there were others that had a college injury and went on to have a good pro career. There were also several that were never really the same again. That's the chance you take when you draft or sign free agents. You never know if they will get healthy again but sometimes it's worth a shot. Even completely healthy players get drafted and then have one injury after another. They're random and unpredictable.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I want to say something about drafting guys with an injury history in college.

If we didn't take a chance on guys that were hurt in college, we wouldn't have had Frank Gore. Or Nick Bosa. I'm sure there were others that had a college injury and went on to have a good pro career. There were also several that were never really the same again. That's the chance you take when you draft or sign free agents. You never know if they will get healthy again but sometimes it's worth a shot. Even completely healthy players get drafted and then have one injury after another. They're random and unpredictable.

True, but gore is the outlier. Bosa, let's see how this season goes. Otherwise history shows we need to avoid drafting kids with injury issues. Which they admitted to weighting this year. (Finally).

Obviously we are all rooting for Kinlaw, but so far that Buckner trade is looking like another black eye on this regime.

I have a bad feeling about his injury. He was injured last December and is missing the first game of the season in mid-September. This is not going away this season.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I want to say something about drafting guys with an injury history in college.

If we didn't take a chance on guys that were hurt in college, we wouldn't have had Frank Gore. Or Nick Bosa. I'm sure there were others that had a college injury and went on to have a good pro career. There were also several that were never really the same again. That's the chance you take when you draft or sign free agents. You never know if they will get healthy again but sometimes it's worth a shot. Even completely healthy players get drafted and then have one injury after another. They're random and unpredictable.

No one is saying never to take guys with injury history. But this regime fails to pay a discount for talented players with red flags. Frank Gore was had for a 3rd round pick, not a 1st. Bosa at least was pretty much a guaranteed star DE from the get-go, a no-brainer pick even with the injury history. Kinlaw was raw and going to need development, even ignoring his injury history.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
True, but gore is the outlier. Bosa, let's see how this season goes. Otherwise history shows we need to avoid drafting kids with injury issues. Which they admitted to weighting this year. (Finally).

Obviously we are all rooting for Kinlaw, but so far that Buckner trade is looking like another black eye on this regime.

It's a crapshoot but I'd obviously have a healthy player out of college than an injured one. In terms of Kinlaw I can't see a #1 draft pick, with an injury history, being picked. that high. Letting go of Buck in his prime makes no sense, I know salary cap and all that but you find a way with a cornerstone player. This is the same organization that drafted Marcus Lattimore in the 4th round in 2013 after a serious leg injury that surgeons thought the leg may have to be amputated.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
My god people, if it was super serious they would have put him on short-term IR.

everyone in here wants to be right so bad lol. Relax

I think most are concerned more than anything, especially with the 9ers luck and Injuries... Hopefully It's not too serious and he'll be ready by week two though.

Yeah, everyone in here does not want to be right except NC and he has a point. Most Niner fans were ok with the pick especially since we got a wr later in the first round.

Of course we all know it's not CURRENTLY an IR issue. We are mainly concerned that this is going to be a reoccurring issue. Not sure why you're not too concerned long term.

Yeah, knee injury red flags from college/combine, pass rush not a strength, raw as hell, only 500 snaps last year, off season surgery, took about 8 snaps all pre season, now isn't playing week 1, etc.

Only a special breed of fans can spin this one as it being no big deal AS it stands TODAY.

Incredible.

Good thing DT's are a dime a dozen (which was the original reason NOT to take him in the first place and use that pick on a more valuable position which has certainly worked out of the gate for Dallas and Tampa).

Nothing inaccurate with this statement.

ShanyLynch continued through last year drafting/signing players who they thought were steals because of their medical warnings. Kinlaw, Foster, Ford,and Pettis. Yes Pettis should have been flagged for being a p***y. Hurd happened after the fact and we're dumping more more on that reclamation same with the Dancing Bear OL guy we barely got to know that is playing out of position.

The point is diamonds in the rough, steals, 'fleeces' as Lynch says are found in the middle and late rounds. The first 3 rounds need to contribute immediately, they also allow us to mix 'draft talent' with our resigned vets (Warner, Kittle) and allow us room to pick up decent FAs.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, knee injury red flags from college/combine, pass rush not a strength, raw as hell, only 500 snaps last year, off season surgery, took about 8 snaps all pre season, now isn't playing week 1, etc.

Only a special breed of fans can spin this one as it being no big deal AS it stands TODAY.

Incredible.

Good thing DT's are a dime a dozen (which was the original reason NOT to take him in the first place and use that pick on a more valuable position which has certainly worked out of the gate for Dallas and Tampa).

NC you know this is shots fired at NY

NC didn't have a clue who Kinlaw was when we picked him for the most part. He had no clue about his "knee issues" which not one team took him off the board for. I bet money he didn't watch any of his games at SC.

pretending a dominant DT is a dime a dozen is a horrible take to prop up his agenda. Imagine thinking PP from a guard being so freaking important, than in the same breath saying the guy they gotta block isn't? Lol

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yeah, everyone in here does not want to be right except NC and he has a point. Most Niner fans were ok with the pick especially since we got a wr later in the first round.

Of course we all know it's not CURRENTLY an IR issue. We are mainly concerned that this is going to be a reoccurring issue. Not sure why you're not too concerned long term.

Well let's wait and see if it is before we jump off a cliff over it, shall we?

how many games did he miss at South Carolina? from me memory one maybe two over 3 yrs?

he played every game last yr, until he hurt his knee vs Dallas at the end of the yr…if it was already an issue when we drafted him why did he play all the games prior to actually getting hurt?

people make a mountain out of a mole hill, before we even have a chance to see how it plays out.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
But they should right? You don't get props for doing what's expected and this still a low return rate on the number of pics invested since 2016 at that level.

Show me a team that gets it right every single yr….according to FO over the past 5 yrs, SF ranks 4th overall in draft return

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
just put him on IR now and bring him back for the Green Bay game

He'd have to miss 3 games at minimum. They clearly don't think it's worth it.

Originally posted by genus49:
He'd have to miss 3 games at minimum. They clearly don't think it's worth it.

Right because it's probably not as serious as some would like…