Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by rxrunner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by rxrunner:
bust

shouldve kept buckner

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just like the front office for letting go of defo

Ok let's hear your plan…how you keeping him, Kittle, Warner, bringing back Trent Williams and getting enough money to sign Bosa in a year or two? All while having enough depth to stay competitive.

People acting like Buckner was a franchise cornerstone that you can't afford to lose. Guess what with Bosa and Ford out most of the season and injuries all over the secondary our defense was 5th in the NFL in yards allowed. 4th in passing yards allowed and we faced a ton of really good passing teams and powerful offenses.

Colts with Buckner were 8th in yards allowed and 20th in passing yards allowed while facing weaker offenses.

Buck was a very good player and better teammate and never missed time. All this is true. We'd all love to have him on the team now but he wasn't a guy who made the defense dominant on his own. He's getting paid like 90% of Aaron Donald without coming close to his level of dominance.

People need to let it go and stop overreacting to everything. Kinlaw's knee issues are troubling but calling him a bust right now is idiotic. Even if he misses tomorrow let's see what happens with the rest of his career before jumping to conclusions. Bunch of children posting here.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by rxrunner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by rxrunner:
bust

shouldve kept buckner

Dumb post

should've deleted before posting.

just like the front office for letting go of defo

Ok let's hear your plan…how you keeping him, Kittle, Warner, bringing back Trent Williams and getting enough money to sign Bosa in a year or two? All while having enough depth to stay competitive.

People acting like Buckner was a franchise cornerstone that you can't afford to lose. Guess what with Bosa and Ford out most of the season and injuries all over the secondary our defense was 5th in the NFL in yards allowed. 4th in passing yards allowed and we faced a ton of really good passing teams and powerful offenses.

Colts with Buckner were 8th in yards allowed and 20th in passing yards allowed while facing weaker offenses.

Buck was a very good player and better teammate and never missed time. All this is true. We'd all love to have him on the team now but he wasn't a guy who made the defense dominant on his own. He's getting paid like 90% of Aaron Donald without coming close to his level of dominance.

People need to let it go and stop overreacting to everything. Kinlaw's knee issues are troubling but calling him a bust right now is idiotic. Even if he misses tomorrow let's see what happens with the rest of his career before jumping to conclusions. Bunch of children posting here.

shhhh don't try posting with logic and sense, you'll mess with their emotions and most likely they can't understand how to build a team.
Buckner is an amazing player but with his money you can build the entire depth of this team which will be more valuable.

I promise you the Colts will win zero, nothing, nada with Defo on their team.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
I promise you the Colts will win zero, nothing, nada with Defo on their team.

Keep Buckner

Not resigned Armstead

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by rxrunner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by rxrunner:
bust

shouldve kept buckner

Dumb post

should've deleted before posting.

just like the front office for letting go of defo

Ok let's hear your plan…how you keeping him, Kittle, Warner, bringing back Trent Williams and getting enough money to sign Bosa in a year or two? All while having enough depth to stay competitive.

People acting like Buckner was a franchise cornerstone that you can't afford to lose. Guess what with Bosa and Ford out most of the season and injuries all over the secondary our defense was 5th in the NFL in yards allowed. 4th in passing yards allowed and we faced a ton of really good passing teams and powerful offenses.

Colts with Buckner were 8th in yards allowed and 20th in passing yards allowed while facing weaker offenses.

Buck was a very good player and better teammate and never missed time. All this is true. We'd all love to have him on the team now but he wasn't a guy who made the defense dominant on his own. He's getting paid like 90% of Aaron Donald without coming close to his level of dominance.

People need to let it go and stop overreacting to everything. Kinlaw's knee issues are troubling but calling him a bust right now is idiotic. Even if he misses tomorrow let's see what happens with the rest of his career before jumping to conclusions. Bunch of children posting here.

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
I promise you the Colts will win zero, nothing, nada with Defo on their team.

Keep Buckner

Not resigned Armstead

see above post

Originally posted by rxrunner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by rxrunner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by rxrunner:
bust

shouldve kept buckner

Dumb post

should've deleted before posting.

just like the front office for letting go of defo

Ok let's hear your plan…how you keeping him, Kittle, Warner, bringing back Trent Williams and getting enough money to sign Bosa in a year or two? All while having enough depth to stay competitive.

People acting like Buckner was a franchise cornerstone that you can't afford to lose. Guess what with Bosa and Ford out most of the season and injuries all over the secondary our defense was 5th in the NFL in yards allowed. 4th in passing yards allowed and we faced a ton of really good passing teams and powerful offenses.

Colts with Buckner were 8th in yards allowed and 20th in passing yards allowed while facing weaker offenses.

Buck was a very good player and better teammate and never missed time. All this is true. We'd all love to have him on the team now but he wasn't a guy who made the defense dominant on his own. He's getting paid like 90% of Aaron Donald without coming close to his level of dominance.

People need to let it go and stop overreacting to everything. Kinlaw's knee issues are troubling but calling him a bust right now is idiotic. Even if he misses tomorrow let's see what happens with the rest of his career before jumping to conclusions. Bunch of children posting here.

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
I promise you the Colts will win zero, nothing, nada with Defo on their team.

Keep Buckner

Not resigned Armstead

see above post

Yeah, they signed the wrong guy.

Kinlaw was the right pick. This front office is so elite.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Kinlaw was the right pick. This front office is so elite.

yup, case in point jalen hurt

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Nice post GM. Hear hear

Yeah hyperbole is strong with young skywalker

Like I said before, nobody is "jumping off a cliff" no need to use hyperbole yet again. Everyone is concerned because this seems to be an ongoing issue which is completely justified and should not be dismissed like he often says. Hopefully he can manage it through his career but it should be a concern. If you are denying this.....well that is straight out denial.

he said we don't see a good return on our picks and I'm showing him the landscape compared to the rest of the league…which clearly stats otherwise.

what's an ongoing thing? How many games did he miss in college? How many for his knees? Zero for his knees.

How many games did he miss last yr because of his knee prior to actually getting injured? Zero.

like I said take a breath. What's there to be in denial about? People are exaggerating like always in here…at least wait to see if it actually becomes an issue before getting concerned about it.

I said an ongoing issue. That's what tendinitis usually is, especially over time. An inflammation of the tendon which is exactly what Kinlaw has. Hopefully he can manage it throughout his career but to dismiss it so quickly seems like a bit of denial that's all. It just seems logical that this issue will pop up randomly during the course of seasons to come. Hell, it's already happening as we speak.

I wish Buckner was more open to less upfront money and we let AA and possibly Ward walk. Oh well. For the record I still think Kinlaw will be a very very good DL if he's healthy. Especially with Bosa and company around him

At this point I would be happy if we get 8 games out of Kinlaw this season and 4 years out of him

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
At this point I would be happy if we get 8 games out of Kinlaw this season and 4 years out of him

lol "at this point"? He missed 2 games last year and 2021 hasn't started yet. Don't be so quick to write him off.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Yes NY, if you truncate the start of the posts which you conveniently snipped and didn't display. "We are pretty terrible with rounds 1-4" is how this started and then you pointed out specific players but didn't post any of the bad ones. I countered with "you don't get props for doing what's expected" - another statement conveniently left out. In other words, drafting 2nd overall, a team should expect to get value from that player. Does a team ever go into the current year's draft by saying "sure if we completely screw this year, we can still count on our 5-year production average."

No team ever says this or plans like this ever, ever. LOL

And why when drafts are compared, and there are "re-draft" mocks, the conversation revolves around who should have been drafted - you know how you used to argue we should have taken Mahommes right when given the opportunity?

Sure, you're critical of the team, just when it suits you bud. I find it strange hill to die on not admitting we just might have had some poor drafting decisions (not expecting the perfection hyperbole).

But let's use your FO example. I'll play along.

Here's the section further down:

Return vs. Capital
So now we come to the true test of drafting ability. How much return did each team get relative to the draft capital it had? We can find out by dividing each team's draft return by its draft capital in each year, then expressing that as a percentage. A score of 100% means that teams got the talent they were expected to get given how much draft capital they had. That's a league-average GM in drafting ability.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019

SF is 18th - below the league average over the past 5 years.

End of the day 4th overall in what matters most and that's return on total picks, you're saying they blow at 60% of the draft which FO disagrees with.

yes draft total (capital), go look at when most of those picks were…day 3 late picks for the most part, no one expects those to be "hits"

the issue with a lot of your complaints is you look at it in a vacuum, just SF…you don't look at the rest of the league and what the overall landscape is.

Originally posted by elguapo:
I said an ongoing issue. That's what tendinitis usually is, especially over time. An inflammation of the tendon which is exactly what Kinlaw has. Hopefully he can manage it throughout his career but to dismiss it so quickly seems like a bit of denial that's all. It just seems logical that this issue will pop up randomly during the course of seasons to come. Hell, it's already happening as we speak.

I wish Buckner was more open to less upfront money and we let AA and possibly Ward walk. Oh well. For the record I still think Kinlaw will be a very very good DL if he's healthy. Especially with Bosa and company around him

This is from a NFL team doctor regarding tendinitis

There are athletes all the time, throughout the season, that are dealing with these issues," said Banffy, an orthopedic surgeon at Cedars-Sinai Kerlan-Jobe Institute in Los Angeles. "… I would say 90% of the time it's totally manageable and people don't have to do anything drastic about this."

it wasn't tendinitis that he was flagged for but "possible arthritis down the road" no team took him off their board because of it.

he will have more maintenance days then most, just how it's gonna be.

kin missed one game in 3 yrs at South Carolina and two last yr after he actually had a injury in a game…how is that an issue or ongoing? NFL players are constantly banged up…overall this "issue" hasn't cost kin a ton of missed games. NOW if that starts to happen, then yes we can be concerned, but until then let's stop making mountains out of molehills. We like to do that in here for whatever reason

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
At this point I would be happy if we get 8 games out of Kinlaw this season and 4 years out of him

lol "at this point"? He missed 2 games last year and 2021 hasn't started yet. Don't be so quick to write him off.

This lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yeah, everyone in here does not want to be right except NC and he has a point. Most Niner fans were ok with the pick especially since we got a wr later in the first round.

Of course we all know it's not CURRENTLY an IR issue. We are mainly concerned that this is going to be a reoccurring issue. Not sure why you're not too concerned long term.

Well let's wait and see if it is before we jump off a cliff over it, shall we?

how many games did he miss at South Carolina? from me memory one maybe two over 3 yrs?

he played every game last yr, until he hurt his knee vs Dallas at the end of the yr…if it was already an issue when we drafted him why did he play all the games prior to actually getting hurt?

people make a mountain out of a mole hill, before we even have a chance to see how it plays out.

And there it is.

As if this wasn't a thing in college, the combine, all last season, the off season and now.

Good thing we don't need him or Hurd.