Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

I will say Kinlaw looked more 'healthy' this last game. So there's that.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Kinlaw will finally start looking good his final year of his rookie deal and we will extend him with a fat contract and then he will spend more time on IR than on the field. It's the tale as old as time.

When he was drafted, I did say he was going to have the Armstead career trajectory

Out of all of our first round D - linemen Buckner & Bosa seem to be the keepers. All of the others are average to above average.

Why keep drafting them in the first if we don't really value them?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
Always hated that trade. You just don't let dominate players go. The pay drop off between AA and DF wasn't that great but the talent is.

Buck wanted his cash now, AA's deal is more backloaded and has a extra yr written in for added cap space. It was a matter of resigning Kittle and Ward on top of it….and the fact that you could get a 1st for Buck and at that point AA was a FA, so you couldn't really trade him. (Possible tag & trade but that can be sketchy).

it was a real bummer, Buck was my favorite player and some one I was pounding the table for during the draft process (watch AA film and #44 was such a dominant force At Oregon)

They didn't even try to negotiate with Defo...his own words.

Originally posted by jcs:
They didn't even try to negotiate with Defo...his own words.

Exactly. I was just about to post this.

let's call it what it is: the 49ers thought they were being clever making a Patriots-like move by trading Defo and replacing him with Kinlaw, and it blew up in their f**king face.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by jcs:
They didn't even try to negotiate with Defo...his own words.

Exactly. I was just about to post this.

let's call it what it is: the 49ers thought they were being clever making a Patriots-like move by trading Defo and replacing him with Kinlaw, and it blew up in their f**king face.

Has it? You're posting with your feelings Hero.

Why isn't Buckner creating a dominant defense on the Colts all on his own? The way some of you guys talk about him that's exactly what he should be doing.

Kinlaw's knee issues aren't great but he's got time to improve. The move was more about cap space than just replacing Buckner and there are two sides to every story. Buckner saying they didn't negotiate with him could mean his agents asked for a number the 49ers realized wasn't even worth negotiating with.

Who said 1 guy creates a dominant defense? The goal of team building is to collect as many good players as possible, not to get rid of them.

And sadly, Kinlaw is not a good player. He's awful as a pass rusher, and playing well against the run, which he did not do on Sunday, isn't even remotely worthy of attempting to justify him as the 14th overall pick. Not to mention his knee is literally eroding. It is early, so there's still time for him to improve. But it's not looking good at all right now.

Did you pay attention to Kenny Clark on Sunday? That's the type of play we should expect from the 14th overall pick.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Who said 1 guy creates a dominant defense? The goal of team building is to collect as many good players as possible, not to get rid of them.

And sadly, Kinlaw is not a good player. He's awful as a pass rusher, and playing well against the run, which he did not on Sunday, isn't even remotely worthy of attempting to justify him as the 14th overall pick. Not to mention his knee is literally erroding.

It is early, so there's still time for him to improve. But it's not looking good at all right now.

It doesn't matter how good Bosa is. If the rest of the d-line can't generate a pass rush 1 on 1 they're screwed. The secondary is going to get exposed because they're not really very good. PI or completion all day.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Who said 1 guy creates a dominant defense? The goal of team building is to collect as many good players as possible, not to get rid of them.

And sadly, Kinlaw is not a good player. He's awful as a pass rusher, and playing well against the run, which he did not do on Sunday, isn't even remotely worthy of attempting to justify him as the 14th overall pick. Not to mention his knee is literally eroding. It is early, so there's still time for him to improve. But it's not looking good at all right now.

Did you pay attention to Kenny Clark on Sunday? That's the type of play we should expect from the 14th overall pick.

Especially your all pro caliber players.

This regime seems to take a lot of raw guys with high upside. I'd rather see them take more guys with actual production. More of a sure thing than a developmental project with no guarantee of ever really developing

Originally posted by Howlett49:
This regime seems to take a lot of raw guys with high upside. I'd rather see them take more guys with actual production. More of a sure thing than a developmental project with no guarantee of ever really developing

He's another example of this FO getting cute with injured players in college as if they see something no one else does. Signs were there when he missed the Sr bowl with a knee injury that carried over into missing the combine. Who would have thought his issue today after all that is having bad knees.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Who said 1 guy creates a dominant defense? The goal of team building is to collect as many good players as possible, not to get rid of them.

And sadly, Kinlaw is not a good player. He's awful as a pass rusher, and playing well against the run, which he did not do on Sunday, isn't even remotely worthy of attempting to justify him as the 14th overall pick. Not to mention his knee is literally eroding. It is early, so there's still time for him to improve. But it's not looking good at all right now.

Did you pay attention to Kenny Clark on Sunday? That's the type of play we should expect from the 14th overall pick.

Kenny Clark wasn't making those plays on the regular year 1/year 2 of his career.

Yes you want to collect as many good players as possible and that's great without the salary cap but when a team is up against the cap there have to be some tough decisions made. As good as Buckner was they clearly felt long term giving him the type of contract he got with the Colts wouldn't make them a better team - likely because they knew they'd have to pay guys like Kittle, Warner, Bosa, Deebo and likely saw Trent Williams as a possible addition knowing they would need the cash to pay him.

Obviously it's not about just 1 player but you had plenty of people pointing out how the Colts were doing on defense with Buckner last year. Where are those comments now?

Yea this buck trade is going down as one of the worst moves that i can remember from this franchise. To me they made it worse b/c they surely didn't go BPA or take injuries into consideration when drafting Kinlaw. It was if they were dead set in drafting Buck's replacement regardless of injury or talent level. .

Should have kept this guy.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea this buck trade is going down as one of the worst moves that i can remember from this franchise. To me they made it worse b/c they surely didn't go BPA or take injuries into consideration when drafting Kinlaw. It was if they were dead set in drafting Buck's replacement regardless of injury or talent level. .

I was surprised that in a 3T class that was so rich in talent between the late 1st and early 3rd, that they pushed it that early. Could have had someone like Blacklock who fits the scheme to a T and they could have acquired him with their original 1st while using the Kinlaw pick on Jeudy, Lamb or Jefferson.