Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

RIP

Originally posted by lamontb:
Wtf...so this dude been out there on a torn acl....i need to apply to the niner medical staff

Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Wtf...so this dude been out there on a torn acl....i need to apply to the niner medical staff

Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

Legit point.

When you factor in a guy like Bosa staying in SoFlo and working with his doctors and trainers coming back as strong and fast as ever compared to those that stay here to stay at the facility, it's night and day.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

But how does this help Kyle / the team? If he was only here for a year or two, sure. Win that Super Bowl and let the next guy clean up the mess. But this is Kyle's mess. It will be his mess next year. And the year after. It would benefit him, far more, if he got his guys as healthy as possible.

I mean, I know there is the whole RG3 fiasco. And plenty of examples here in SF. But that's some short-sighted s**t I'd expect from a child, not an adult making millions of dollars--in charge of people making similar amounts (and more).

Further...look, I know some slimy ass doctors. There are slimy ass people in all walks of life--and the NFL probably has more than most. But, if our medical staff is that ethically challenged, then this team is doomed, because that tells me those who oversee the medical staff / their decisions are equally challenged. And that's a recipe for disaster, both now and in the future.

If I were in Kyle's shoes, I'd rather sacrifice Kinlaw for a year, if it meant his chances of having a productive career were maximized (because this outcome directly & positively impacts the 49ers' potential), rather than neuter Kinlaw's career by constantly providing him with inferior medical choices / actions.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Wtf...so this dude been out there on a torn acl....i need to apply to the niner medical staff

Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

Legit point.

When you factor in a guy like Bosa staying in SoFlo and working with his doctors and trainers coming back as strong and fast as ever compared to those that stay here to stay at the facility, it's night and day.

Mostert as well went with a 2nd opinion...

This is definitely an issue.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

But how does this help Kyle / the team? If he was only here for a year or two, sure. Win that Super Bowl and let the next guy clean up the mess. But this is Kyle's mess. It will be his mess next year. And the year after. It would benefit him, far more, if he got his guys as healthy as possible.

I mean, I know there is the whole RG3 fiasco. And plenty of examples here in SF. But that's some short-sighted s**t I'd expect from a child, not an adult making millions of dollars--in charge of people making similar amounts (and more).

Further...look, I know some slimy ass doctors. There are slimy ass people in all walks of life--and the NFL probably has more than most. But, if our medical staff is that ethically challenged, then this team is doomed, because that tells me those who oversee the medical staff / their decisions are equally challenged. And that's a recipe for disaster, both now and in the future.

If I were in Kyle's shoes, I'd rather sacrifice Kinlaw for a year, if it meant his chances of having a productive career were maximized (because this outcome directly & positively impacts the 49ers' potential), rather than neuter Kinlaw's career by constantly providing him with inferior medical choices / actions.

Kyle is pretty old school when you really think about it, don't let the fitted hats and rap music fool you

He has that old school mentality about playing through injuries and toughing it out. I think we've seen plenty of examples by now for this to be true.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Kyle is pretty old school when you really think about it, don't let the fitted hats and rap music fool you

He has that old school mentality about playing through injuries and toughing it out. I think we've seen plenty of examples by now for this to be true.

I don't disagree with the above--at all. This is a nurture versus nature situation.

There is simply a part of me that holds out hope, because if Kyle thinks that way, that means, necessarily, this injury trend will continue, and that means I (we) have to deal with this in perpetuity. f**k that.

Being a team physician doesn't mean you're a good physician. There are always going to be some that are better than others. They have contracts with the team and are really there for general diagnosis unless they happen to be a top notch orthopedic surgeon. Many players often seek outside advice before having surgery or treatments. That's good advice for anyone. If you have ever switched doctors for any reason you may have noticed that the new one may prescribe something the other one didn't or might be more concerned about certain numbers in your tests. They have opinions just like we do.

I once dated a girl that was the niece of 49ers team doctor Dillingham. She said much of her family referred to him as Dr. Dildo. Enough said.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Being a team physician doesn't mean you're a good physician. There are always going to be some that are better than others. They have contracts with the team and are really there for general diagnosis unless they happen to be a top notch orthopedic surgeon. Many players often seek outside advice before having surgery or treatments. That's good advice for anyone. If you have ever switched doctors for any reason you may have noticed that the new one may prescribe something the other one didn't or might be more concerned about certain numbers in your tests. They have opinions just like we do.

I once dated a girl that was the niece of 49ers team doctor Dillingham. She said much of her family referred to him as Dr. Dildo. Enough said.

What does that mean? He was always available? Sounds like my kind of doctor!

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Wtf...so this dude been out there on a torn acl....i need to apply to the niner medical staff

Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

Legit point.

When you factor in a guy like Bosa staying in SoFlo and working with his doctors and trainers coming back as strong and fast as ever compared to those that stay here to stay at the facility, it's night and day.

Mostert as well went with a 2nd opinion...

This is definitely an issue.

Yeach. I'm actually more forgiving of Mostert now. s**t is weird. Its like Dr. York himself is selecting and running the staff.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Wtf...so this dude been out there on a torn acl....i need to apply to the niner medical staff

Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

It could very well be this.

I think and others here have said it, that our staff don't do their due diligence and accept the simple messages passed on from the agents and media that say "he was injured but is all good now, he will be a steal at pick #__ or he's a steal for a 2nd round pick ". Our guys including GM are gullible thinking they're getting a deal when instead receiving a lemon. We're so dazed by the potential that we forget to look at what's right in front of us. The team media staff repeatedly tell us the fans about this great deal and we eat it up. We need to stop living in fantasy land when it comes to chronic injured players. It's like buying an expensive car and the body and paint job look great, sitting inside feels incredible and we fantasize about driving it around(when younger we even think it's a pssy magnet). But we forget to have our mechanic really check it out and connect it to a computer. We get excited about the great deal we got, blab too all our friends, and after a few drives we realize we have a bad engine and we got in over our heads.

The list of players we have felt this way: Kinlaw, Ford, Hurd, Street, Carradine, Latimore, Richberg. Verette,we didn't trade for and in wanted him to pull through, but he should be there too.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

But how does this help Kyle / the team? If he was only here for a year or two, sure. Win that Super Bowl and let the next guy clean up the mess. But this is Kyle's mess. It will be his mess next year. And the year after. It would benefit him, far more, if he got his guys as healthy as possible.

I mean, I know there is the whole RG3 fiasco. And plenty of examples here in SF. But that's some short-sighted s**t I'd expect from a child, not an adult making millions of dollars--in charge of people making similar amounts (and more).

Further...look, I know some slimy ass doctors. There are slimy ass people in all walks of life--and the NFL probably has more than most. But, if our medical staff is that ethically challenged, then this team is doomed, because that tells me those who oversee the medical staff / their decisions are equally challenged. And that's a recipe for disaster, both now and in the future.

If I were in Kyle's shoes, I'd rather sacrifice Kinlaw for a year, if it meant his chances of having a productive career were maximized (because this outcome directly & positively impacts the 49ers' potential), rather than neuter Kinlaw's career by constantly providing him with inferior medical choices / actions.

In my view, Kyle and John have been ultra patient with injuries compared to the past. They've been almost too careful with players and I think it's gotten to the point where some players know Kyle and John and are patient with injuries and they take advantage of it. Dee Ford and Jaylen Hurd come to mind. I don't see the corporate take at all, like not at all, not even a little bit. This IS the NFL and good players on the field usually=more wins than them not being on the field. EVERY coach wants the players out there, but the 49ers are one of the most patient teams when it comes to injury imo.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

Doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. You look at a Dee Ford, and he's barely playing. These guys can wait all they want. Some players just never get healthy

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

Doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. You look at a Dee Ford, and he's barely playing. These guys can wait all they want. Some players just never get healthy

Dee Ford is a special case there. But even with him, it seems like he always rushed back to quickly and never given a chance to completely shut it down for a while (prior to this off-season). But Ford also wants to be out there...

It also comes down to the contract. Kittle signed a long extension with us so they are definitely being more careful with him, than let's say how they were with Mostert.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Wtf...so this dude been out there on a torn acl....i need to apply to the niner medical staff

Im starting to see a pattern here with our injuries. It seems like we have a very "corporate" medical staff. Looks like their main job is to get guys to play through injuries and try to be as liberal as possible when diagnosing an injury.

Their job is not to get guys as healthy as possible, but just enough to get them out there to play asap. Outside of a bone sticking out during a game or practice, it seems like Kyle doesn't give a damn and makes sure that his medical team does what he wants as long as still somewhat within the rules.

This is definitely an area where Kyle deserves the blame.

Legit point.

When you factor in a guy like Bosa staying in SoFlo and working with his doctors and trainers coming back as strong and fast as ever compared to those that stay here to stay at the facility, it's night and day.

Mostert as well went with a 2nd opinion...

This is definitely an issue.

Agree
I have no idea why anyone would choos3 to use their employer paid doctor to manage a work injury.