Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Even if Kinlaw had healthy knees, anyone that turned on the tape realized this dude was so damn raw and a giant risk to draft that early. This was my first brief eval after watching some his tape during the draft. Has anything changed with Kinlaw going into his 3rd year? This sounds exactly like him right now.

Originally posted by Heroism:
My thoughts on JK:

Dude is a boom or bust prospect. The guy is raw as hell. Most of his production on the field is him simply kicking the guy's ass across from him by virtue of being the more athletic and talented individual. There's no go-to move or counter. He simply tries to bully the guy across from him the majority of the time. There's no doubt that this dude is insanely gifted. He's over 300 lbs but looks like a chiseled edge rusher. But he's extremely raw, plays with little technique, and rarely demonstrates a pass-rushing plan.

There's going to be a lot of pressure on the DL coach of whichever team drafts him to coach him up.

Awesome. A raw guy that hasn't been put on the grill for long (develop through playing). He needs to get healthy so he can practice. Rehabbing is not practicing.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
They said that about Lattimore.

How about following what most of the other teams flagged: this dude has chronic problems and shouldn't be drafted.

totally different case. Lattimore's knee was a train wreck and identified as such. no surprise when he retired.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
They said that about Lattimore.

How about following what most of the other teams flagged: this dude has chronic problems and shouldn't be drafted.

totally different case. Lattimore's knee was a train wreck and identified as such. no surprise when he retired.

I meant that our team said Lattimores surgery was not good and we re did something and tried to make him right. He was a red flag no draft on other teams board, in think we spent a 4th on him. With Kinlaw he was flagged with chronic knee problems, we thought we could make it work.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
They said that about Lattimore.

How about following what most of the other teams flagged: this dude has chronic problems and shouldn't be drafted.

totally different case. Lattimore's knee was a train wreck and identified as such. no surprise when he retired.

They drafted Lattimore knowing it was a long shot. At the time, the team didn't have a lot of needs and he was viewed as a luxury pick. Frank Gore was still in his prime and they didn't need a RB. They picked him hoping he could rehab over the next 2 years and eventually become part of the running game. It didn't work out but it was worth the risk.

Originally posted by thl408:
Awesome. A raw guy that hasn't been put on the grill for long (develop through playing). He needs to get healthy so he can practice. Rehabbing is not practicing.

This is why my expectations aren't very high for Kinlaw going into the 2022 season. He's spending the majority of his time right now focusing on rehabbing that knee and getting his body right and not honing his skills.

Here's to Kinlaw breaking out in 2023.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
They said that about Lattimore.

How about following what most of the other teams flagged: this dude has chronic problems and shouldn't be drafted.

totally different case. Lattimore's knee was a train wreck and identified as such. no surprise when he retired.

I meant that our team said Lattimores surgery was not good and we re did something and tried to make him right. He was a red flag no draft on other teams board, in think we spent a 4th on him. With Kinlaw he was flagged with chronic knee problems, we thought we could make it work.

Who flagged kinlaw with chronic knee issues? I don't remember that kind of stigma on draft day.

(Unlike Ojulari, who would have made an execellent, cheap "1B" replacement for Ford during our 2-year super bowl window,)

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
Awesome. A raw guy that hasn't been put on the grill for long (develop through playing). He needs to get healthy so he can practice. Rehabbing is not practicing.

This is why my expectations aren't very high for Kinlaw going into the 2022 season. He's spending the majority of his time right now focusing on rehabbing that knee and getting his body right and not honing his skills.

Here's to Kinlaw breaking out in 2023.

I concur with you Hero. Kinlaw has all the tools to be a top notch anchor in the middle but has lost so much development from not being on the field both in games and practice. Does the durability questions go away this year? I'm not sure recent history with this team's luck pertaining to injuries suggests that. I remember saying a couple of years ago that DJ Jones was our most underrated dlineman. Relying on Kinlaw and Ridgeway to fill that void seems like a big question mark. Both have injury concerns and Ridgeway could be a nice depth piece, he could also be another Kerr who flames out. I think we need another run stuffer conducive to this scheme in the middle to enhance the competition and would also like Key back for his inside pass rushing ability.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I wonder if he should try to shed 10-15 pounds to put less strain on his knees.

I mean the dude is already pretty lean for an IDL. He'd likely be losing more muscle than fat if he were to cut.

I like him lighter with more twitch. He not a power guy until he can explode into contact.

lol he has six pack abs at 315. I don't think he has a weight problem. Its technique and durability.

Agree. DJ Jones also had injury probelms early in his career. Hopefully Kinlaw can put this injury thing behind him the way DJ Jones did.

Hope + Optimism = Faithful!

Textbook Stockholm Syndrome.

lol how is that Stockholm Syndrome?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
They said that about Lattimore.

How about following what most of the other teams flagged: this dude has chronic problems and shouldn't be drafted.

totally different case. Lattimore's knee was a train wreck and identified as such. no surprise when he retired.

I meant that our team said Lattimores surgery was not good and we re did something and tried to make him right. He was a red flag no draft on other teams board, in think we spent a 4th on him. With Kinlaw he was flagged with chronic knee problems, we thought we could make it work.

Who flagged kinlaw with chronic knee issues? I don't remember that kind of stigma on draft day.

(Unlike Ojulari, who would have made an execellent, cheap "1B" replacement for Ford during our 2-year super bowl window,)

From the chronicle but you can find it on multiple sites:

Kinlaw would have had a medical recheck in Indianapolis, but that was canceled. This year, Lynch said, player agents sent their clients with injury issues to independent doctors and they "distributed letters and their opinions" to NFL teams.
"And then you leverage your medical staff and your doctor relationships with those doctors," Lynch said. "And we got to the point where we were comfortable."

From another article
This year, however, those injuries haven't gone away. And what's been more frustrating is the fact San Francisco had to be well aware of Kinlaw's knee issues from college, which included concerns about tendinitis and possible arthritis that could ultimately limit both his NFL-level effectiveness and long-term impact after being selected

In DJ Khalid's voice: and another

How Far Could Mekhi Becton, Javon Kinlaw Fall in Draft After Recent Red Flags?

However, Kinlaw had hip surgery in 2018 and had knee problems that both shut him down at the Senior Bowl and prevented him from working out in Indianapolis at the combine. Per Bryan Broaddus of 105.3 The Fan in Dallas, some NFL teams have expressed significant concerns about his durability.

A heart condition and a knee problem are not the same thing. But in at least one respect, Kinlaw's situation is even worse. In any other season, teams interested in him would bring him in for a predraft visit and have their doctors check him out. Kinlaw's knees and hips would have been examined roughly 113 times over the past two months.

But with so much of the United States (and the NFL) stuck at home as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, that's out the door. Teams either have to roll the dice that Kinlaw will hold up based on the information they already have, or they'll have to pass on him.

Rehabbing now so he can be ready for camp ......can't wait to see how well those knees are by then. I hope he turns beast mode for us

Imagine he don't use traps and actually chasing down squirrels...little rodent would break his ankles let alone big fella's knees

Eat healthier bruh, squirrels can't be all that

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
They said that about Lattimore.

How about following what most of the other teams flagged: this dude has chronic problems and shouldn't be drafted.

totally different case. Lattimore's knee was a train wreck and identified as such. no surprise when he retired.

I meant that our team said Lattimores surgery was not good and we re did something and tried to make him right. He was a red flag no draft on other teams board, in think we spent a 4th on him. With Kinlaw he was flagged with chronic knee problems, we thought we could make it work.

Who flagged kinlaw with chronic knee issues? I don't remember that kind of stigma on draft day.

(Unlike Ojulari, who would have made an execellent, cheap "1B" replacement for Ford during our 2-year super bowl window,)

From the chronicle but you can find it on multiple sites:

Kinlaw would have had a medical recheck in Indianapolis, but that was canceled. This year, Lynch said, player agents sent their clients with injury issues to independent doctors and they "distributed letters and their opinions" to NFL teams.
"And then you leverage your medical staff and your doctor relationships with those doctors," Lynch said. "And we got to the point where we were comfortable."

From another article
This year, however, those injuries haven't gone away. And what's been more frustrating is the fact San Francisco had to be well aware of Kinlaw's knee issues from college, which included concerns about tendinitis and possible arthritis that could ultimately limit both his NFL-level effectiveness and long-term impact after being selected

In DJ Khalid's voice: and another

How Far Could Mekhi Becton, Javon Kinlaw Fall in Draft After Recent Red Flags?

However, Kinlaw had hip surgery in 2018 and had knee problems that both shut him down at the Senior Bowl and prevented him from working out in Indianapolis at the combine. Per Bryan Broaddus of 105.3 The Fan in Dallas, some NFL teams have expressed significant concerns about his durability.

A heart condition and a knee problem are not the same thing. But in at least one respect, Kinlaw's situation is even worse. In any other season, teams interested in him would bring him in for a predraft visit and have their doctors check him out. Kinlaw's knees and hips would have been examined roughly 113 times over the past two months.

But with so much of the United States (and the NFL) stuck at home as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, that's out the door. Teams either have to roll the dice that Kinlaw will hold up based on the information they already have, or they'll have to pass on him.

Lynch wasn't enamored with his college tapes or potential of becoming a beast, Lynch was drooling after finding out about the medical history

Lynch can say whatever he wants about this pick but so far it's been terrible. He's been an average DT when he plays (our team got better when he left the lineup) and very injury prone when he's out there. Then you let the 27 year old DT who's been playing phenomenal in his absence walk in FA.

The 49ers are putting a ton of faith in Aaron Banks and Javon Kinlaw. If these 2 guys don't become impact players we are going to look back at this offseason and wonder what Lynch was thinking.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Lynch can say whatever he wants about this pick but so far it's been terrible. He's been an average DT when he plays (our team got better when he left the lineup) and very injury prone when he's out there. Then you let the 27 year old DT who's been playing phenomenal in his absence walk in FA.

The 49ers are putting a ton of faith in Aaron Banks and Javon Kinlaw. If these 2 guys don't become impact players we are going to look back at this offseason and wonder what Lynch was thinking.

At some point a good GM has to cut the teams losses. Doubling down to hope that you're eventually right hasn't worked. Kinlaw, Ford, Hurd are examples.

With that said let's let Kinlaw play out this year and not extend him beyond his rookie deal if he doesn't prove he can play.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Lynch can say whatever he wants about this pick but so far it's been terrible. He's been an average DT when he plays (our team got better when he left the lineup) and very injury prone when he's out there. Then you let the 27 year old DT who's been playing phenomenal in his absence walk in FA.

The 49ers are putting a ton of faith in Aaron Banks and Javon Kinlaw. If these 2 guys don't become impact players we are going to look back at this offseason and wonder what Lynch was thinking.

At some point a good GM has to cut the teams losses. Doubling down to hope that you're eventually right hasn't worked. Kinlaw, Ford, Hurd are examples.

With that said let's let Kinlaw play out this year and not extend him beyond his rookie deal if he doesn't prove he can play.

With the Dline coach we have there's no way we can sign everyone who breaks out.

Javon had some interesting things to say today.

Shots fired at his critics.

But really, deeds not words.