Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

I dunno parsons is a beast but he seems pretty immature unlike most of our team

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Kinlaw for all of his amazing gifts is likely playing for his job this week. Liked him as the successor to Buckner at the time, but injuries have derailed his progress and his potential. Niners have shown that they can find gems late in the draft or in free agency to fill spots on the DL. Kinlaw better have an impact this week or he may be cut or traded away this coming offseason. Rooting for the kid to do well.

Right just give us something. 1 sack, a tfl, a ff or a tipped pass? Anything

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

There are so many posters who are saying it as if it was either trade up for Lance or draft Parsons. Sorry if you are not one of them and were just speaking as if it was a dream scenario. Hard to tell the difference between posts.

You see the Parsons comp a lot cuz he was selected in our original draft position had we not moved up. We owned pick 12 where he was selected.

i watched this game again last night an watched the DL an OL more.
kinlaw did not look that bad. he got good push on his offensive guard most every play an i only saw him being the one pushed around once or twice. problem is thats just all he really does. hes not fast or agile or quick, an didnt seem to use his hands/arms much to shed blocks. he is a player with just huge size an strength. he just pushes his guy back. like a hole plugging NT. the RB never ran close enough to him for him to make a tackle and by the time he was running in pursuit of an RB the rest of our D was already there because their so damn fast.

so for what we picked him up to do, push the OL an the pocket back in the middle, he did that OK against the cowboys i think. the problem is i dont think we need that as much now anymore at this point in the playoffs. we have our surplus of back up DTs ( mcgill, hyder, givens, omenihu) that can do what kinlaw is doing at this point, an do it probably even better. does everyone forget how great hyder an givens were for us a few years ago? got damnit why did we let DJ jones go.

at this point we need more help with the edge rush than with interior push. the cowboys an other teams are focusing alota attention an blocking on bosa an taking him out of the game. we need another guy on the other side who can get around his 1v1 blocker. i still think if we have drake jackson on the other side he will be successful in affecting the QB. hope hes on the field sunday, it may be the difference maker in this game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

There are so many posters who are saying it as if it was either trade up for Lance or draft Parsons. Sorry if you are not one of them and were just speaking as if it was a dream scenario. Hard to tell the difference between posts.

You see the Parsons comp a lot cuz he was selected in our original draft position had we not moved up. We owned pick 12 where he was selected.

I understand that, but that doesnt mean we would have drafted him. Us owning the 12th pick is why people are posting about us drafting him, but there is very little chance we would have.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

There are so many posters who are saying it as if it was either trade up for Lance or draft Parsons. Sorry if you are not one of them and were just speaking as if it was a dream scenario. Hard to tell the difference between posts.

You see the Parsons comp a lot cuz he was selected in our original draft position had we not moved up. We owned pick 12 where he was selected.

I understand that, but that doesnt mean we would have drafted him. Us owning the 12th pick is why people are posting about us drafting him, but there is very little chance we would have.

Not saying we would have.

Could see it though. JL played DB and he knows and stresses the importance of pass rush. Makes the DBs job easier. We have invested consistently in D front and pass rush for years. Pairing Parsons with Bosa would make a lot of sense and be downright unfair.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

There are so many posters who are saying it as if it was either trade up for Lance or draft Parsons. Sorry if you are not one of them and were just speaking as if it was a dream scenario. Hard to tell the difference between posts.

You see the Parsons comp a lot cuz he was selected in our original draft position had we not moved up. We owned pick 12 where he was selected.

I understand that, but that doesnt mean we would have drafted him. Us owning the 12th pick is why people are posting about us drafting him, but there is very little chance we would have.

Not saying we would have.

Could see it though. JL played DB and he knows and stresses the importance of pass rush. Makes the DBs job easier. We have invested consistently in D front and pass rush for years. Pairing Parsons with Bosa would make a lot of sense and be downright unfair.

I didnt say you did. I wasnt talking about you when I made the post. You interjected yourself into this conversation.

And I dont agree with your assessment of why JL might have picked him at all. Parsons was not thought of as a developed edge pass rusher coming out of college. He was thought of as an inside linebacker more than an edge rusher. In fact, Parsons wasnt used as an edge pass rusher at all his first game of his rookie year. Demarcus Lawrence got hurt at the end of that game, and out of necessity, Parsons plugged in his position the next game. The Cowboys should feel fortunate that he did, because playing that edge rusher is how Parsons has become what he is. I know it was only game 1, but he looked lost at the more true linebacker position. The 49ers were set at linebacker, so I stand by my assessment that Parsons was never going to be the pick if we didnt trade up.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

There are so many posters who are saying it as if it was either trade up for Lance or draft Parsons. Sorry if you are not one of them and were just speaking as if it was a dream scenario. Hard to tell the difference between posts.

You see the Parsons comp a lot cuz he was selected in our original draft position had we not moved up. We owned pick 12 where he was selected.

I understand that, but that doesnt mean we would have drafted him. Us owning the 12th pick is why people are posting about us drafting him, but there is very little chance we would have.

Not saying we would have.

Could see it though. JL played DB and he knows and stresses the importance of pass rush. Makes the DBs job easier. We have invested consistently in D front and pass rush for years. Pairing Parsons with Bosa would make a lot of sense and be downright unfair.

I didnt say you did. I wasnt talking about you when I made the post. You interjected yourself into this conversation.

And I dont agree with your assessment of why JL might have picked him at all. Parsons was not thought of as a developed edge pass rusher coming out of college. He was thought of as an inside linebacker more than an edge rusher. In fact, Parsons wasnt used as an edge pass rusher at all his first game of his rookie year. Demarcus Lawrence got hurt at the end of that game, and out of necessity, Parsons plugged in his position the next game. The Cowboys should feel fortunate that he did, because playing that edge rusher is how Parsons has become what he is. I know it was only game 1, but he looked lost at the more true linebacker position. The 49ers were set at linebacker, so I stand by my assessment that Parsons was never going to be the pick if we didnt trade up.

I don't think you are ever 'set' at a position. It's a talent acquisition game. BPA. Interesting convo with coach Shanny he said basically because we were thought to be 'set' at QB with Lance and Jimmy, he didn't really evaluate QBs this draft like normal. Of course, Purdy fell to us and thank goodness, kinda lucked into that one.

Kinlaw was more or less a product of our success, couldn't pay everyone and we moved on from Buck to take this guy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

There are so many posters who are saying it as if it was either trade up for Lance or draft Parsons. Sorry if you are not one of them and were just speaking as if it was a dream scenario. Hard to tell the difference between posts.

You see the Parsons comp a lot cuz he was selected in our original draft position had we not moved up. We owned pick 12 where he was selected.

I understand that, but that doesnt mean we would have drafted him. Us owning the 12th pick is why people are posting about us drafting him, but there is very little chance we would have.

Not saying we would have.

Could see it though. JL played DB and he knows and stresses the importance of pass rush. Makes the DBs job easier. We have invested consistently in D front and pass rush for years. Pairing Parsons with Bosa would make a lot of sense and be downright unfair.

I didnt say you did. I wasnt talking about you when I made the post. You interjected yourself into this conversation.

And I dont agree with your assessment of why JL might have picked him at all. Parsons was not thought of as a developed edge pass rusher coming out of college. He was thought of as an inside linebacker more than an edge rusher. In fact, Parsons wasnt used as an edge pass rusher at all his first game of his rookie year. Demarcus Lawrence got hurt at the end of that game, and out of necessity, Parsons plugged in his position the next game. The Cowboys should feel fortunate that he did, because playing that edge rusher is how Parsons has become what he is. I know it was only game 1, but he looked lost at the more true linebacker position. The 49ers were set at linebacker, so I stand by my assessment that Parsons was never going to be the pick if we didnt trade up.

I don't think you are ever 'set' at a position. It's a talent acquisition game. BPA. Interesting convo with coach Shanny he said basically because we were thought to be 'set' at QB with Lance and Jimmy, he didn't really evaluate QBs this draft like normal. Of course, Purdy fell to us and thank goodness, kinda lucked into that one.

Kinlaw was more or less a product of our success, couldn't pay everyone and we moved on from Buck to take this guy.

To me, the bolded makes your BPA argument kind of collapse on itself. Kinlaw wasnt the best player available. He just played a position that we were trying to replace.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

There are so many posters who are saying it as if it was either trade up for Lance or draft Parsons. Sorry if you are not one of them and were just speaking as if it was a dream scenario. Hard to tell the difference between posts.

You see the Parsons comp a lot cuz he was selected in our original draft position had we not moved up. We owned pick 12 where he was selected.

I understand that, but that doesnt mean we would have drafted him. Us owning the 12th pick is why people are posting about us drafting him, but there is very little chance we would have.

Not saying we would have.

Could see it though. JL played DB and he knows and stresses the importance of pass rush. Makes the DBs job easier. We have invested consistently in D front and pass rush for years. Pairing Parsons with Bosa would make a lot of sense and be downright unfair.

I didnt say you did. I wasnt talking about you when I made the post. You interjected yourself into this conversation.

And I dont agree with your assessment of why JL might have picked him at all. Parsons was not thought of as a developed edge pass rusher coming out of college. He was thought of as an inside linebacker more than an edge rusher. In fact, Parsons wasnt used as an edge pass rusher at all his first game of his rookie year. Demarcus Lawrence got hurt at the end of that game, and out of necessity, Parsons plugged in his position the next game. The Cowboys should feel fortunate that he did, because playing that edge rusher is how Parsons has become what he is. I know it was only game 1, but he looked lost at the more true linebacker position. The 49ers were set at linebacker, so I stand by my assessment that Parsons was never going to be the pick if we didnt trade up.

I don't think you are ever 'set' at a position. It's a talent acquisition game. BPA. Interesting convo with coach Shanny he said basically because we were thought to be 'set' at QB with Lance and Jimmy, he didn't really evaluate QBs this draft like normal. Of course, Purdy fell to us and thank goodness, kinda lucked into that one.

Kinlaw was more or less a product of our success, couldn't pay everyone and we moved on from Buck to take this guy.

To me, the bolded makes your BPA argument kind of collapse on itself. Kinlaw wasnt the best player available. He just played a position that we were trying to replace.

Yup. They should have done BPA, not a need pick, with hindsight.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Drake Jackson >>> Kinlaw

Definitely more impactful and athletic.

I was watching NFL's highlight of 49ers vs Eagles in week 2, 2021. There were several plays that showed Kinlaw could barely run to catch an escaping Hurts. I know he had to have surgery later in the 2021 season, but I don't see him improving much in terms of pursuit.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:
First we should have kept Buckner, then we should have kept DJ Jones. So much wasted on account of banking on Kinlaw.

Imagine if we also kept K'waun, Eman was healthy, and we drafted Parsons.

I wish people would stop saying this. There is no tangible evidence that Parsons even would have been considered if we didnt trade up.

Just imagine for a brief fantasy moment and then let it go. Lighten up, Helmet!

There are so many posters who are saying it as if it was either trade up for Lance or draft Parsons. Sorry if you are not one of them and were just speaking as if it was a dream scenario. Hard to tell the difference between posts.

You see the Parsons comp a lot cuz he was selected in our original draft position had we not moved up. We owned pick 12 where he was selected.

I understand that, but that doesnt mean we would have drafted him. Us owning the 12th pick is why people are posting about us drafting him, but there is very little chance we would have.

Not saying we would have.

Could see it though. JL played DB and he knows and stresses the importance of pass rush. Makes the DBs job easier. We have invested consistently in D front and pass rush for years. Pairing Parsons with Bosa would make a lot of sense and be downright unfair.

I didnt say you did. I wasnt talking about you when I made the post. You interjected yourself into this conversation.

And I dont agree with your assessment of why JL might have picked him at all. Parsons was not thought of as a developed edge pass rusher coming out of college. He was thought of as an inside linebacker more than an edge rusher. In fact, Parsons wasnt used as an edge pass rusher at all his first game of his rookie year. Demarcus Lawrence got hurt at the end of that game, and out of necessity, Parsons plugged in his position the next game. The Cowboys should feel fortunate that he did, because playing that edge rusher is how Parsons has become what he is. I know it was only game 1, but he looked lost at the more true linebacker position. The 49ers were set at linebacker, so I stand by my assessment that Parsons was never going to be the pick if we didnt trade up.

I don't think you are ever 'set' at a position. It's a talent acquisition game. BPA. Interesting convo with coach Shanny he said basically because we were thought to be 'set' at QB with Lance and Jimmy, he didn't really evaluate QBs this draft like normal. Of course, Purdy fell to us and thank goodness, kinda lucked into that one.

Kinlaw was more or less a product of our success, couldn't pay everyone and we moved on from Buck to take this guy.

To me, the bolded makes your BPA argument kind of collapse on itself. Kinlaw wasnt the best player available. He just played a position that we were trying to replace.

Yup. They should have done BPA, not a need pick, with hindsight.

They just should've went BPA instead of trying to hard to replace Buck right after trading him. to me it was like they were dead set on replacing buck with the pick they got back for him.

Kinlaw is getting blown off the ball. Wake up, dude, you're in the NFC Championship game.

Big, useless ass mf