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Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gotta wonder if he's gonna be a replacement for Juice though? I hope not, I'd love to use more 2 TE sets... this is Juice's last yr under contract.

While FB is super important to this scheme, SF can't afford to pay a FB $6M a yr anymore

The flipside is where else is Juice gonna get paid $6m or even close as a fullback? #2 is Baltimore who let him go... then pays their FB ~$4m, then the next 2 highest paid are at $2m.

He's having fun, has a chance at a ring and in a great system, hard to see him going anywhere else even if they only offer him $3-4m for 3-5 years. Unless the Rams try to copy cat and offer him another $6m for 2 years or something like that. Seems like allot of that $6m was luring him to the NFLs worst team... now that the Niners are atop the NFC, the reach around if for him to offer a hometown discount.

agreed...seems like more teams are like using a FB now. Overall I can't see many teams being in the market to pay a guy that much (especially with the cap going down).

Who does the Packer's have at FB? I'm trying to think of former Kyle coaches...what happens if Saleh get's a HC gig? Maybe he wants Juice

Hopefully he takes a discount.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yo, is he signed? I feel like he's the only rookie that hasn't yet

They report tomorrow?
He's showing a 610k 2020 cap hit

Finally signed


I didn't like the pick at first but watched more film of his... I think he does a really good job blocking in space. He should give Kittle some much needed rest which will make him well worth the selection.

Our running game was peak with both a healthy Kittle and Toilolo out there to seal edges. This dude is being groomed to be Toilolo 2.0
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yo, is he signed? I feel like he's the only rookie that hasn't yet

They report tomorrow?
He's showing a 610k 2020 cap hit

Finally signed


I didn't like the pick at first but watched more film of his... I think he does a really good job blocking in space. He should give Kittle some much needed rest which will make him well worth the selection.

Our running game was peak with both a healthy Kittle and Toilolo out there to seal edges. This dude is being groomed to be Toilolo 2.0
I hope he pans out, looks as if loves to dish out pain
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Jul 27, 2020 at 1:28 PM ]
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I hope he pans out, looks as if loves to dish out pain

If in the rare event that Woerner is as good as Kittle, or even if maybe 70% as good as Kittle, that run game and all the misdirection runs that Kyle has up his sleeves is going to be even more explosive. One tight end that can both catch and block is hard enough to defend, imagine two of them.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I hope he pans out, looks as if loves to dish out pain

If in the rare event that Woerner is as good as Kittle, or even if maybe 70% as good as Kittle, that run game and all the misdirection runs that Kyle has up his sleeves is going to be even more explosive. One tight end that can both catch and block is hard enough to defend, imagine two of them.

Dwelley not being given enough credit. He's better than a lot of people think. And he will be even better this year. He should make a significantly greater leap; intelligent player who came from a small college background and it was his first year in the big leagues.

It's nowhere near automatic that Woerner will be better. But the Niners have hit another home run if he is.
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I hope he pans out, looks as if loves to dish out pain

If in the rare event that Woerner is as good as Kittle, or even if maybe 70% as good as Kittle, that run game and all the misdirection runs that Kyle has up his sleeves is going to be even more explosive. One tight end that can both catch and block is hard enough to defend, imagine two of them.

Dwelley not being given enough credit. He's better than a lot of people think. And he will be even better this year. He should make a significantly greater leap; intelligent player who came from a small college background and it was his first year in the big leagues.

It's nowhere near automatic that Woerner will be better. But the Niners have hit another home run if he is.

Totally different roles too. Dwelley is the pass catching TE2 and Toilolo is run blocking TE2 and will probably spend a ton of time in the OL meetings.
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Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Dwelley not being given enough credit. He's better than a lot of people think. And he will be even better this year. He should make a significantly greater leap; intelligent player who came from a small college background and it was his first year in the big leagues.

It's nowhere near automatic that Woerner will be better. But the Niners have hit another home run if he is.


Originally posted by NCommand:
Totally different roles too. Dwelley is the pass catching TE2 and Toilolo is run blocking TE2 and will probably spend a ton of time in the OL meetings.

With three good TE (potentially, if Woerner kills it this year like Kittle did in his rookie year) I can see a lot more runs and a lot more deep passes, because the whole opposing defense will be drawn to the two or three TE's running patterns or blocking. Deebo and Aiyuk and hopefully Pettis and the rest of the WR's capitalize on this (if it happens) this year. I'm betting Woerner *is* at least better than Dwelley who was undrafted. We shall see.
Originally posted by Giedi:
With three good TE (potentially, if Woerner kills it this year like Kittle did in his rookie year) I can see a lot more runs and a lot more deep passes, because the whole opposing defense will be drawn to the two or three TE's running patterns or blocking. Deebo and Aiyuk and hopefully Pettis and the rest of the WR's capitalize on this (if it happens) this year. I'm betting Woerner *is* at least better than Dwelley who was undrafted. We shall see.

What kind of offense has 3 TEs and 3 WRs?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yo, is he signed? I feel like he's the only rookie that hasn't yet

They report tomorrow?
He's showing a 610k 2020 cap hit

Finally signed


I didn't like the pick at first but watched more film of his... I think he does a really good job blocking in space. He should give Kittle some much needed rest which will make him well worth the selection.

Gotta wonder if he's gonna be a replacement for Juice though? I hope not, I'd love to use more 2 TE sets... this is Juice's last yr under contract.

While FB is super important to this scheme, SF can't afford to pay a FB $6M a yr anymore

I believe we signed RB/FB that plays similar to Kyle? I don't think Woerner is Juscyck's replacement
Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.

Agree, but I'd never say never. If Woerner shows up at fullback as well as TE, that's a good problem to have and might solve a part of the 2021 cap problem.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.

I don't know if Juice is worth 5+ million a year. He's a great FB, but he's still just a FB and is only on the field less than 40% of the time.
Originally posted by JimmyWhy:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.

I don't know if Juice is worth 5+ million a year. He's a great FB, but he's still just a FB and is only on the field less than 40% of the time.

Not just a FB. An OW.
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by JimmyWhy:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.

I don't know if Juice is worth 5+ million a year. He's a great FB, but he's still just a FB and is only on the field less than 40% of the time.

Not just a FB. An OW.

Still plays less than 40% of the snaps and still had less than 250 total yards last year. I get that he is a versatile player, but he's not worth what we're paying him.
Originally posted by JimmyWhy:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by JimmyWhy:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.

I don't know if Juice is worth 5+ million a year. He's a great FB, but he's still just a FB and is only on the field less than 40% of the time.

Not just a FB. An OW.

Still plays less than 40% of the snaps and still had less than 250 total yards last year. I get that he is a versatile player, but he's not worth what we're paying him.

There's more to his game than yards, look at the run game, without him, it went downhill, he's worth the money.
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