Charlie Woerner l TE, ATL

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by JimmyWhy:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by JimmyWhy:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.

I don't know if Juice is worth 5+ million a year. He's a great FB, but he's still just a FB and is only on the field less than 40% of the time.

Not just a FB. An OW.

Still plays less than 40% of the snaps and still had less than 250 total yards last year. I get that he is a versatile player, but he's not worth what we're paying him.

There's more to his game than yards, look at the run game, without him, it went downhill, he's worth the money.

Yeah, Juice is worth it - he's an essential piece of the run game, opening holes for the backs.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.

Agree, but I'd never say never. If Woerner shows up at fullback as well as TE, that's a good problem to have and might solve a part of the 2021 cap problem.

I disagree. Woerner is not gonna make a lot of plays after the catch. That's what makes Juscyck an OW.

Originally posted by JimmyWhy:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by JimmyWhy:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Woerner isn't Juice's replacement, KS won't let Juice walk, him, Sherm, Kittle, and Trent are must re-signs IMO.

I don't know if Juice is worth 5+ million a year. He's a great FB, but he's still just a FB and is only on the field less than 40% of the time.

Not just a FB. An OW.

Still plays less than 40% of the snaps and still had less than 250 total yards last year. I get that he is a versatile player, but he's not worth what we're paying him.

Tbf he also missed 4 games which is going to lower his stat sheet and snap counts, which is going to also lower his snap count percentage to the overall season. Nevertheless the value he brings to the offense are not things that will show up in a stat sheet.

Juice's versatility enables Kyle to do alot of presnap personnel packages because defenses have to respect what he can do as a blocker in the run game and as a receiver.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl-playoffs/2020/1/28/21106548/san-francisco-49ers-kyle-juszczyk-fullback-kyle-shanahan-offense. This is a good article on what he brings to the offense and why he's absolutely worth the money.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I disagree. Woerner is not gonna make a lot of plays after the catch. That's what makes Juscyck an OW.

That remains to be seen. The kid scored 32 touchdowns in HS and had something like 3,000 yards rushing and 2,000 yards receiving, Granted HS isn't the NFL and he made his bones as a blocking back in college but there was a time when he was a BMOC in his own right. He doesn't appear to have anywhere near Kittle's athletic ability but Shanahan did say that if they were just looking for an extra blocker they would have drafted another lineman, which means he has at least some expectations of Woerner contributing to the passing game

Nice! Toilolo 2.0!

"I'm excited. Charlie's a good dude," Kittle shared. "We were actually running routes together, and he was like, 'Hey, this passing stuff is kind of boring. When are we going to start talking about run game?'

"And I was like, 'You're my guy. I needed that out of you.'"

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nice! Toilolo 2.0!

"I'm excited. Charlie's a good dude," Kittle shared. "We were actually running routes together, and he was like, 'Hey, this passing stuff is kind of boring. When are we going to start talking about run game?'

"And I was like, 'You're my guy. I needed that out of you.'"

This quote makes me thinking Woerner is gonna be a blocking TE primarily, meaning he's not being groomed to be Juice's replacement, cause Juice does everything. But excited to see what Woerner does for the run game.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nice! Toilolo 2.0!

"I'm excited. Charlie's a good dude," Kittle shared. "We were actually running routes together, and he was like, 'Hey, this passing stuff is kind of boring. When are we going to start talking about run game?'

"And I was like, 'You're my guy. I needed that out of you.'"

This quote makes me thinking Woerner is gonna be a blocking TE primarily, meaning he's not being groomed to be Juice's replacement, cause Juice does everything. But excited to see what Woerner does for the run game.

IF he speaking honestly, then the kid tells me that he just LOVES the game of football... because I'm pretty sure any player IN for the business side of this would rather learn more and more about passing plays to UP his game and get paid more.

I know he's not the Kittle type of TE yet, but maybe, he's plays can remind me of Jason Witten... just a solid all around TE.

is there any film or highlights of this dude?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Nice! Toilolo 2.0!

"I'm excited. Charlie's a good dude," Kittle shared. "We were actually running routes together, and he was like, 'Hey, this passing stuff is kind of boring. When are we going to start talking about run game?'

"And I was like, 'You're my guy. I needed that out of you.'"

This quote makes me thinking Woerner is gonna be a blocking TE primarily, meaning he's not being groomed to be Juice's replacement, cause Juice does everything. But excited to see what Woerner does for the run game.

Yeah, he's ALWAYS been a blocking TE. Not sure where the FB talk came from.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nice! Toilolo 2.0!

"I'm excited. Charlie's a good dude," Kittle shared. "We were actually running routes together, and he was like, 'Hey, this passing stuff is kind of boring. When are we going to start talking about run game?'

"And I was like, 'You're my guy. I needed that out of you.'"

This quote makes me thinking Woerner is gonna be a blocking TE primarily, meaning he's not being groomed to be Juice's replacement, cause Juice does everything. But excited to see what Woerner does for the run game.

Yeah, he's ALWAYS been a blocking TE. Not sure where the FB talk came from.

Well, one of FB's major roles is as a blocker for the RB, so why not? Having said that, Woerner's scouting reports does say he's a good blocker but unknown as a pass receiver. Kittle was sort of like that too, in a sense, that Woerner doesnt' have a lot of tape of him running routes or catching passes. You know who else fits that mold, Tom Rathman. He came out of Nebraska basically blocking and hardly catching any passes, but he was a great pass receiver in the NFL. Who knows, maybe he turns into a poor man's Kittle.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Nice! Toilolo 2.0!

"I'm excited. Charlie's a good dude," Kittle shared. "We were actually running routes together, and he was like, 'Hey, this passing stuff is kind of boring. When are we going to start talking about run game?'

"And I was like, 'You're my guy. I needed that out of you.'"

This quote makes me thinking Woerner is gonna be a blocking TE primarily, meaning he's not being groomed to be Juice's replacement, cause Juice does everything. But excited to see what Woerner does for the run game.

Yeah, he's ALWAYS been a blocking TE. Not sure where the FB talk came from.

Well, one of FB's major roles is as a blocker for the RB, so why not? Having said that, Woerner's scouting reports does say he's a good blocker but unknown as a pass receiver. Kittle was sort of like that too, in a sense, that Woerner doesnt' have a lot of tape of him running routes or catching passes. You know who else fits that mold, Tom Rathman. He came out of Nebraska basically blocking and hardly catching any passes, but he was a great pass receiver in the NFL. Who knows, maybe he turns into a poor man's Kittle.

Inline blocking is very different from a FB blocking out of the backfield and lead blocking.

He'll get a heavy dose of blocking on the move here though so maybe down the line but Juice has a pretty diverse playbook himself.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Inline blocking is very different from a FB blocking out of the backfield and lead blocking.

He'll get a heavy dose of blocking on the move here though so maybe down the line but Juice has a pretty diverse playbook himself.

If Woerner can develop into a good FB, that frees Juszczyk to be let go/restructured so we can keep Trent Williams. At least that's my hope. Jus has been fantastic in Kyle's offense, and almost indispensable, but Dwelley did a credible job when Juszczyk was out last year. I think Woerner has the ability to eventually replace Juszczyk and maybe, be a more dangerous weapon. Woerner's measurable look very similar to me like Juszczyk's.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, one of FB's major roles is as a blocker for the RB, so why not? Having said that, Woerner's scouting reports does say he's a good blocker but unknown as a pass receiver. Kittle was sort of like that too, in a sense, that Woerner doesnt' have a lot of tape of him running routes or catching passes. You know who else fits that mold, Tom Rathman. He came out of Nebraska basically blocking and hardly catching any passes, but he was a great pass receiver in the NFL. Who knows, maybe he turns into a poor man's Kittle.

Roger Craig was also like that at Nebraska. He was never the main RB and was splitting time with guys like Mike Rozier. Nebraska didn't throw much to their backs. Players get labelled as this or that coming out of college when it's often the system more than the player. They only do what the coaches ask them to do.

Originally posted by Giedi:
If Woerner can develop into a good FB, that frees Juszczyk to be let go/restructured so we can keep Trent Williams. At least that's my hope. Jus has been fantastic in Kyle's offense, and almost indispensable, but Dwelley did a credible job when Juszczyk was out last year. I think Woerner has the ability to eventually replace Juszczyk and maybe, be a more dangerous weapon. Woerner's measurable look very similar to me like Juszczyk's.

The film says otherwise on Dwelley filling in for Juice. Not that good of a blocker. In fact, not even close to Juice. I think Woerner has a better chance of backing Juice this year. Woerner worked in line, from the slot and from the backfield and was an effective blocker. With Kittle tutoring him, he could replace Juice when his contract runs out.

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by Giedi:

If Woerner can develop into a good FB, that frees Juszczyk to be let go/restructured so we can keep Trent Williams. At least that's my hope. Jus has been fantastic in Kyle's offense, and almost indispensable, but Dwelley did a credible job when Juszczyk was out last year. I think Woerner has the ability to eventually replace Juszczyk and maybe, be a more dangerous weapon. Woerner's measurable look very similar to me like Juszczyk's.

The film says otherwise on Dwelley filling in for Juice. Not that good of a blocker. In fact, not even close to Juice. I think Woerner has a better chance of backing Juice this year. Woerner worked in line, from the slot and from the backfield and was an effective blocker. With Kittle tutoring him, he could replace Juice when his contract runs out.

If he starts working with the RB/FB group, that'll give us some insight but for now I'd imagine it would be exclusively with the OL/TE group.