NFL to propose incentives to hire minorities

Originally posted by random49er:
Sad to share with you but indirectly, it's clearly been a factor for decades upon decades. You leave the parameters the same,...the results stay the same.

Extremely wealthy people -- something that's clearly correlated to skin color most times to begin with -- are the ones doing the hiring. Given that, it's no surprise that the results haven't changed.

I'm not in favor of what's proposed, but there are literally next to no more ideas to give deserving people that are looked over time and time again more opportunities.

I believe it was a factor for some owners and executives. But not for all of them. With rules like this, you're making it a factor for everyone.

Originally posted by smithgdwg:
People are thinking because there are a lot of black players, there should be a lot of black coaches, but those two don't relate and I think it works the opposite way.

If a person loves football but doesn't have the physical tools to make it playing the sport, they are more likely to go into the direction of coaching. So they increase their skills on the coaching aspect of football.

Also many players when they are done playing football probably want to get away from football after spending all their young adult lives entrenched within it. So it sense they would want to get away from it when they retire. Of course there are always exceptions.

Are there currently any minority coaches out there that you feel should be head coaching right now and the only reason they are not is because of the color of their skin?

Most of the really good players want to relax and spend all the money they made when they were playing. They don't need the coaching jobs because they are set financially and if they were stars they can usually get a good job somewhere that doesn't require a lot of time. Their name is a passport into another career like a representative or a financial partner. Maybe they put their name on a business.

The point is, coaching takes a lot of time and players have spent several years away from their families. They don't need the traveling and headaches. You almost never see a star player become a coach. I can't remember the last QB that was really good that went into coaching full time. You would think they would be the best coaches but if they coach at all it's usually a consulting thing.

Like you said, most of the great coaches were guys that were undersized or just not athletic enough to play so they went into coaching at a young age. Kyle is a good example. He realized early on that he would never be a pro so he started on the path to coaching. O linemen and LBs are 2 positions that do go into coaching a lot. Not sure why but it might have something to do with money. Neither position is usually among the higher paid on a team.

Bill Walsh pushes for more minority opportunities.

He would probably be disappointed in how little it has improved .

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Bill Walsh pushes for more minority opportunities.

He would probably be disappointed in how little it has improved .

That's a really good point and it shows that making rules or trying to force changes are really hard and don't often work. If it's truly a racial bias thing you aren't going to change someone's mind with a rule. I still come back to the money. A lot of the best and smartest players are black and they often get paid the most. They don't need the jobs after they're done playing.

It's ridiculous and an insult to minorities. "Hey we are hiring you. No we don't care about your skills, we're tanking anyway, most likely you'll get dumped soon we just want the extra draft capital".
While I agree guys like Lovie Smith should be getting a chance, but we see the Giants hiring bums like Mcadoo, Shurmur and now Joe Judge (who?). But rewarding somebody for hiring a coach from a minority is stupid and insulting.

Nothing triggers white people more. Everybody loves to use the race card. Especially the caucasians.

Of course NFL has a problem with it comes to hiring minority coaches - but this is not the solution.

Once again - this is a PR move. Doesn't really do anything except it makes NFL look like they're trying to do something about this.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
People should be hired based solely on merit and qualifications. End of story. I couldn't care less what color or race. Stupid PR stunt by the league.

Should be? Yes. But, honestly - that doesn't happen often. Not just in NFL - doesn't really happen in majority of the companies.

So can they hire a minority GM just to get the draft compensation? They could pay them the value of the draft improvements then let go afterwards having achieved the one goal they were hired for.

Will also need to guarantee pay and how long they are required to stay on the job.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Of course NFL has a problem with it comes to hiring minority coaches - but this is not the solution.

Once again - this is a PR move. Doesn't really do anything except it makes NFL look like they're trying to do something about this.

Nothing will change until the NFL actually puts an effort into recruiting and developing minority coaches. Better than blatant pandering would be setting up coaching workshops and mentoring programs by current and former NFL coaches, more interships and networking opportunities, a minor league that provides player and coach development, building from the ground up.


Imagine the league setting up a post-graduate academy for coaching. Offering interested and qualified college graduates a detailed one or two year program that develops the needed skills to succeed as a football coach in the college or professional game. Leadership building activities, football strategy, building a coaching staff, scouting, networking and preparing for interviews, communications...all of that could be included to help promising candidates get ahead.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Of course NFL has a problem with it comes to hiring minority coaches - but this is not the solution.

Once again - this is a PR move. Doesn't really do anything except it makes NFL look like they're trying to do something about this.

Nothing will change until the NFL actually puts an effort into recruiting and developing minority coaches. Better than blatant pandering would be setting up coaching workshops and mentoring programs by current and former NFL coaches, more interships and networking opportunities, a minor league that provides player and coach development, building from the ground up.

Imagine the league setting up a post-graduate academy for coaching. Offering interested and qualified college graduates a detailed one or two year program that develops the needed skills to succeed as a football coach in the college or professional game. Leadership building activities, football strategy, building a coaching staff, scouting, networking and preparing for interviews, communications...all of that could be included to help promising candidates get ahead.

Good idea

Put your Money where your mouth is Goodell. Instead of putting pressure on the NFL owners to hire minority GMs and Head coaches, resign your Job and put pressure on the Owners to replace you with a minority Commissioner of the NFL.
Lead by example and let's get a competent person leading the NFL.

All for it and I'd add in offensive coordinators/ qb coaches as that's what being hired nowadays. It seems like blacks are represented fine on the defensive side but it's an offensive league and there's a ton of work to do there.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Nothing will change until the NFL actually puts an effort into recruiting and developing minority coaches. Better than blatant pandering would be setting up coaching workshops and mentoring programs by current and former NFL coaches, more interships and networking opportunities, a minor league that provides player and coach development, building from the ground up.

Imagine the league setting up a post-graduate academy for coaching. Offering interested and qualified college graduates a detailed one or two year program that develops the needed skills to succeed as a football coach in the college or professional game. Leadership building activities, football strategy, building a coaching staff, scouting, networking and preparing for interviews, communications...all of that could be included to help promising candidates get ahead.

Agree very much with you Phoenix. Would really feel good about it if current and former players and coaches committed to contributing their talents and money to such a program as well. Top-notch coach trainers are a rare commodity. If they are good enough to meaningfully improve coaches, they are probably in pretty high demand to be actual coaches somewhere.

I think former players are the most important group here actually. Among them are surely a number who would be good at the role of coach trainer, are financially secure enough, and don't want to deal with the day-to-day headaches of regular football coaches. The NFL can organize the framework, but someone from the players and coaches side needs to ultimately do the job, and former players are the group with the largest amount of free time. I'm vastly oversimplifying things, but it is going to take some people to put their time where their mouth is in order to reach the goal. Throwing money and draft placement around is shallow in comparison.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Nothing triggers white people more. Everybody loves to use the race card. Especially the caucasians.

This comment could not be more hypocritical lol.