Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by 9moon:

UNBELIEVABLE THROW - in college...

please do not try that in the NFL, I like you and all, but please, do NOT do that..

Yeah people used to say that about Mahomes all the time...........

I was thinking the same thing lol. People saw that and dropped him down on their mocks. I saw it and thought, "This guy is Brett Favre 2.0."

Originally posted by thl408:

You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Not necessarily true.

Some are simply confident he will be better than Jimmy, but not necessarily an true elite QB. Worth drafting, worth even trading multiple picks to draft, but not worth trading one of the cornerstones of the defense.

Moreover, what defines "Franchise QB?" Goff is going to be starting for the Rams for ten+ years. Does that make him an Franchise QB? If so, I'd still prefer to keep Donald over him.

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by thl408:
You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Not necessarily true.

Some are simply confident he will be better than Jimmy, but not necessarily an true elite QB. Worth drafting, worth even trading multiple picks to draft, but not worth trading one of the cornerstones of the defense.

Moreover, what defines "Franchise QB?" Goff is going to be starting for the Rams for ten+ years. Does that make him an Franchise QB? If so, I'd still prefer to keep Donald over him.

I don't know what FQB even means, but it sounds really good and I want one. And I would easily trade a DE to get one. You don't win Super Bowls by sacking the QB, you do it by making NFL throws to score points.

Originally posted by thl408:
Injuries can happen to anyone. Can't be paranoid about that. Take a look at some of these Twitter highlights from Wilson. You don't pass on that, and when a QB like that is available, you do whatever it takes to get that FQB for the next 10+ years. We don't know if Wilson is going to be an injured NFL player. We know Bosa is.

I understand about the injuries. I also understand the importance of having a DE that can pressure the QB all the time. For years, pass rusher was the number one need every year on the forum. We finally got a good one in Bosa and I wouldn't trade him for Wilson. He hasn't been playing top competition and just looked average yesterday against CCU. I won't hold one game against him though. Anyone can have an off day but the pressure he was getting yesterday is more like what he'll see in the NFL and he didn't handle it well.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by thl408:
Injuries can happen to anyone. Can't be paranoid about that. Take a look at some of these Twitter highlights from Wilson. You don't pass on that, and when a QB like that is available, you do whatever it takes to get that FQB for the next 10+ years. We don't know if Wilson is going to be an injured NFL player. We know Bosa is.

I understand about the injuries. I also understand the importance of having a DE that can pressure the QB all the time. For years, pass rusher was the number one need every year on the forum. We finally got a good one in Bosa and I wouldn't trade him for Wilson. He hasn't been playing top competition and just looked average yesterday against CCU. I won't hold one game against him though. Anyone can have an off day but the pressure he was getting yesterday is more like what he'll see in the NFL and he didn't handle it well.

I understand you know the importance of a DE that can pressure the QB. I think our difference is that I value a QB for the next 10+ years over a DE. Check out the twitter highlight where Wilson throws on the run, across his body to a WR. It doesn't matter if that was against 11 year olds in two hand touch on the street, just look at that throw in a vacuum, it doesn't matter the level of competition - that's an NFL throw.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by thl408:

You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Not necessarily true.

Some are simply confident he will be better than Jimmy, but not necessarily an true elite QB. Worth drafting, worth even trading multiple picks to draft, but not worth trading one of the cornerstones of the defense.

Moreover, what defines "Franchise QB?" Goff is going to be starting for the Rams for ten+ years. Does that make him an Franchise QB? If so, I'd still prefer to keep Donald over him.

I don't know what FQB even means, but it sounds really good and I want one. And I would easily trade a DE to get one. You don't win Super Bowls by sacking the QB, you do it by making NFL throws to score points.

First off - it's just not a DE, Bosa is an elite DE. And you do win Super Bowls by sacking QBs. Look at how Von Miller literally was a difference when they played the panthers in the super bowl. I'm not throwing out a FQB, I'm just saying it's dumb to trade out a proven cornerstone piece for an unproven one.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Still want him.

Same.

Drop him right to SF

He's not falling to #31 though. No chance in hell.

Originally posted by thl408:

I understand you know the importance of a DE that can pressure the QB. I think our difference is that I value a QB for the next 10+ years over a DE. Check out the twitter highlight where Wilson throws on the run, across his body to a WR. It doesn't matter if that was against 11 year olds in two hand touch on the street, just look at that throw in a vacuum, it doesn't matter the level of competition - that's an NFL throw.

Thl I do not want to trade a proven premier pass rusher for just another draft qb. You know full well that there is no guarantee that any rookie qb will make it in the NFL. And without Bosa our pass rush, once again, leaves a lot to be desired.

I don't trade a proven commodity for a gamble.

Originally posted by thl408:

You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Too much risk for Wilson.

Trading Bosa to land Lawrence....now you're talking.

Originally posted by thl408:
I understand you know the importance of a DE that can pressure the QB. I think our difference is that I value a QB for the next 10+ years over a DE. Check out the twitter highlight where Wilson throws on the run, across his body to a WR. It doesn't matter if that was against 11 year olds in two hand touch on the street, just look at that throw in a vacuum, it doesn't matter the level of competition - that's an NFL throw.

If you're talking about yesterday's game I saw that throw and it was a great throw. It doesn't change my mind though. All QBs make great throws at times. It's the poor throws that I'm more concerned with.That's one of the issues some fans have with Jimmy. He can make some really nice throws and then follow up with a horrible throw. I said on another thread that I'm concerned he could end up like Baker Mayfield. I'm not saying that they have the same arm but they kind of play in the same manner. A little wild at times. Mayfield was much better in college than Wilson but hasn't been that great in the NFL.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Alright QB gurus. Did he do good or bad Vs real competition.

He did ok. We saw a little bit of everything from him. Threw some grounders, had some good throws that showed off that arm strength, he was finally pressured. But I dont think yesterdays game impacted his draft status at all tbh.

Also, his team didnt help him with the dropped passes and running the wrong way for -20 yards lol

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by thl408:

You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Not necessarily true.

Some are simply confident he will be better than Jimmy, but not necessarily an true elite QB. Worth drafting, worth even trading multiple picks to draft, but not worth trading one of the cornerstones of the defense.

Moreover, what defines "Franchise QB?" Goff is going to be starting for the Rams for ten+ years. Does that make him an Franchise QB? If so, I'd still prefer to keep Donald over him.

I don't know what FQB even means, but it sounds really good and I want one. And I would easily trade a DE to get one. You don't win Super Bowls by sacking the QB, you do it by making NFL throws to score points.

Ravens won 2 Super Bowls without a FQB. Buccaneers won 1. The last year the Broncos won, Manning wasn't even a shadow of his former self. I think it's pretty safe to say you can win a Super Bowl without a FQB. That being said, I really want one. More than anything. I wish there was a way to keep Bosa and draft Wilson. I'd rather trade 3 1st rounders to draft him than trade Bosa.

Originally posted by thl408:
I understand you know the importance of a DE that can pressure the QB. I think our difference is that I value a QB for the next 10+ years over a DE. Check out the twitter highlight where Wilson throws on the run, across his body to a WR. It doesn't matter if that was against 11 year olds in two hand touch on the street, just look at that throw in a vacuum, it doesn't matter the level of competition - that's an NFL throw.

They don't play in a vacuum. You are falling in love with a few throws, and extrapolating into an NFL super star QB. I've seen some amazing throws in High School against teams that are mismatched when the QB can get away with it, but wouldn't get away with it against good teams.

I think he is very good, but I'm not convinced he's a future legend as you seem to think. If he's available I'd take him, and possibly trade up a bit. I wouldn't go overboard. Are you the fool that said you'd give three ones to get him, or was that someone else?

For all his "NFL throws" what did it get them yesterday? One TD was on a 42 yard run, and another one was a short pass that went for 41 yards when Coastal Carolina assumed the receiver was out of bounds and moronically gave up on the play. I don't consider his performance bad at all, but he hardly took over the game. Seems like a few routine throws, because most throws are, would have gotten a victory for BYU.

Originally posted by 801niner:

Zach Wilson playing like injuries are turned off
pic.twitter.com/N2sN4LyunH

— PFF College (@PFF_College) December 6, 2020

He does that in the NFL and he's gonna die. I have no clue what he was thinking there but whatever team drafts him is going to need to contractually stipulate that he never tries that again.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
He does that in the NFL and he's gonna die. I have no clue what he was thinking there but whatever team drafts him is going to need to contractually stipulate that he never tries that again.

That's why I compared him to Mayfield. They are both a little reckless and think they can make plays they can't