Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That's why I compared him to Mayfield. They are both a little reckless and think they can make plays they can't

I think you pissed of Mayfield he actually looks like a Number 1 pick today.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by thl408:

You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Not necessarily true.

Some are simply confident he will be better than Jimmy, but not necessarily an true elite QB. Worth drafting, worth even trading multiple picks to draft, but not worth trading one of the cornerstones of the defense.

Moreover, what defines "Franchise QB?" Goff is going to be starting for the Rams for ten+ years. Does that make him an Franchise QB? If so, I'd still prefer to keep Donald over him.

I don't know what FQB even means, but it sounds really good and I want one. And I would easily trade a DE to get one. You don't win Super Bowls by sacking the QB, you do it by making NFL throws to score points.

I guess mein concern is that we could move up to get Wilson with something like our one, our one next year and our two, or something similarly.

Originally posted by pdfortune:
I think you pissed of Mayfield he actually looks like a Number 1 pick today.

Yes he does. His problem is that consistency. He can look good one week and awful the next. Just when he's looking good he makes a dumb play that costs them or nearly costs them the game. There isn't a lot of in between with him. I'm sure the Browns fans have lot's of Baker doubters among them.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Yes he does. His problem is that consistency. He can look good one week and awful the next. Just when he's looking good he makes a dumb play that costs them or nearly costs them the game. There isn't a lot of in between with him. I'm sure the Browns fans have lot's of Baker doubters among them.

No doubt about his consistency. It was just funny how he had a crazy half around your comment time

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I get you bro, I do..

but my point is that ANNOUNCERS, they're full of crap... I can't believe they pointed THAT play as to why WILSON will be a FIRST ROUNDER... that's full of crap... had that was intercepted, i'm almost sure that they would have said that " This play is one of the reason why WILSON still needs to prove that he should be a first rounder " ..

That last sentence has nothing to do with anything lol.

He made the throw and has done it numerous times. You don't even have to say Mahomes, Watson makes throws like that as well.

DO you see him as good as Watson??

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by thl408:
You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Too much risk for Wilson.

Trading Bosa to land Lawrence....now you're talking.

.. THIS is the answer I have been looking for.. an actual deal that the JETS (if happy with Darnold already) would ask for... PRIME for PRIME..

Hope this past game drops him a little.

I doubt it though.

Originally posted by 801niner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Alright QB gurus. Did he do good or bad Vs real competition.

He did ok. We saw a little bit of everything from him. Threw some grounders, had some good throws that showed off that arm strength, he was finally pressured. But I dont think yesterdays game impacted his draft status at all tbh.

Also, his team didnt help him with the dropped passes and running the wrong way for -20 yards lol

Here is every pass by Zach Wilson on that final BYU drive that came up 1-yard short:
pic.twitter.com/OCgMww1SId

— Boom or Bust: The Draft Show (@BoomOrBustDraft) December 6, 2020

Zach Wilson playing like injuries are turned off
pic.twitter.com/N2sN4LyunH

— PFF College (@PFF_College) December 6, 2020

For me I already know he can make all the throws you want in the NFL. I know he's got the internal clock to feel pressure and adapt. I see the vision and overall accuracy.

I want to take all that and put it into Kyle's scheme with our personnel. I mean they already run some of kyle's staple plays. It's all there.

Originally posted by pdfortune:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That's why I compared him to Mayfield. They are both a little reckless and think they can make plays they can't

I think you pissed of Mayfield he actually looks like a Number 1 pick today.

Mayfield running damn near the same offense in Cleveland and they're well on their way to 10+ wins lol. Wilson is a better QB than he is IMO. If he was in OU with Riley he'd be locked in as a top 3 pick in this stud QB draft.

Just thankful that as college football fans, we were given that game to enjoy. What an awesome game. Coastal Carolina definitely a team to root for and their gameplan to neutralize the BYU offense was great by.....keeping them on the sidelines lol. For an o-line to be considered undersized, they out-physical'd that BYU defensive line. Vice versa with their defensive line. They played nasty and got in BYU's head all game long. Although CC's defense had some dirty plays imo against Wilson, it clearly went to his head.

First game this season to see Wilson in real adversity. His receivers definitely didn't help with 4 dropped passes, but all the credit goes to Coastal Carolina there.

I don't think it's feasible, but realistically, IF we were to trade up to try and get this guy, who do we target?

At first I was thinking Philly but there's no way they can get out of Carson Wentz's contract so using Jimmy as trade bait is probably out of the question. That leaves Carolina and Atlanta, both of whom have better QBs and I don't forsee them trying to go QB, would probably require 2 1s and a 2nd.

We'd have to find a trade partner before the donkeys pick. If Wilson is still available when they pick I forsee Drew Lock halfway out the door.

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:

I don't think it's feasible, but realistically, IF we were to trade up to try and get this guy, who do we target?

At first I was thinking Philly but there's no way they can get out of Carson Wentz's contract so using Jimmy as trade bait is probably out of the question. That leaves Carolina and Atlanta, both of whom have better QBs and I don't forsee them trying to go QB, would probably require 2 1s and a 2nd.

We'd have to find a trade partner before the donkeys pick. If Wilson is still available when they pick I forsee Drew Lock halfway out the door.

You target no one. Wait until regular season is done then ask this question again.

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by thl408:
You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Not necessarily true.

Some are simply confident he will be better than Jimmy, but not necessarily an true elite QB. Worth drafting, worth even trading multiple picks to draft, but not worth trading one of the cornerstones of the defense.

Moreover, what defines "Franchise QB?" Goff is going to be starting for the Rams for ten+ years. Does that make him an Franchise QB? If so, I'd still prefer to keep Donald over him.

I don't know what FQB even means, but it sounds really good and I want one. And I would easily trade a DE to get one. You don't win Super Bowls by sacking the QB, you do it by making NFL throws to score points.

I guess mein concern is that we could move up to get Wilson with something like our one, our one next year and our two, or something similarly.

The thing is, I don't really agree with the "you don't win Super Bowls" by sacking the QB, you go it by making NFL throws to score points."

I get that we could say look at the last Super Bowl as Exhibit A. But I could say look at that rather ordinary in many ways Giants team that barely got into the playoffs and then won a Super Bowl against the Patriots largely because they had a dominant pass rush that made Brady uncomfortable. Yes, they had Eli Manning but as we probably all would acknowledge Eli wasn't his brother and was a good, maybe even really good but never truly elite QB.

It's true in large part that it's a QB driven league. It's true it's a passing league now more than a running one. It's also true that great defenses stop or slow down even great offenses as we did the Chiefs for most of the game.

Have a great QB sure. But there's a reason that teams biggest areas of building a team that they look at are, maybe in this order, maybe an altered order-

1. QB

2. People to protect the QB.

3. People to sack the QB.

Plus, no one is going to take Bosa coming off an ACL tear as a trade piece in all likelihood. They just aren't. Especially, since as I saw pointed out Nick has actually had 3 season ending injuries in the last 6, two of which are ACL tears. And actually, in recent years they only guy who came back and played the very next season on our team coming off an ACL tear was Jimmy. McKinnon had a setback and missed another year. Ronald Blair had a setback and has missed the whole year.

That trade almost assuredly ain't happening for multiple reasons.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by thl408:
You trade Bosa+ to get Wilson, a FQB for the next 10+ years. Easy decision. If you don't agree then that means you aren't confident Wilson will be a FQB for the next 10+ years.

Too much risk for Wilson.

Trading Bosa to land Lawrence....now you're talking.

.. THIS is the answer I have been looking for.. an actual deal that the JETS (if happy with Darnold already) would ask for... PRIME for PRIME..

I dont think the Jets do that deal. You have to give more than Bosa.

With that being said, Wilson is not a for sure thing. Thats why I wouldnt give up Bosa and/or Deebo for Wilson. For every Brees, Brady and Rodgers, there is a Manziel, Darnold, or Rosen

could you imagine, having watched that draft, Bosa or QW, and because we want a semblance of a QB that can throw on the run and is mobile, that we'd be willing to give up Bosa so then he plays aside QW then all of a sudden the Jets D is ridiculous

EDIT: I'm not trying to do that at all. But how bizarre would that be if it ended up that way