Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

With all these extra comp picks it is a no brainer to go get this guy.

I hope Wilson is within reach to trade up for. I would trade a 2nd round pick and two of the 3rd round comp picks to try and get into the top 10 for Wilson.

If we could get Wilson with only giving up that I'd be so happy

Well that's assuming the 9ers go from 12 to 9 or 10, that's pretty much my idea of within reach. Any further than that say 5 to 2 and IMO I think a 2022 1st round pick and a couple more picks will be involved.

I think the absolute lowest he goes (where we can move up) is 6 the philly. You have DET and CAR at 7/8 without question they would take Wilson and I won't be shocked if one of them move up to say the 2nd-4th pick overall.

You want Wilson you're gonna have to pay for him....which I'm fine with.

I was really hoping that the Lions and Panthers got into the playoffs and did good this past season. Now we have two more teams looking for QB's. But who knows maybe Saleh helps the 9ers out and works a deal with Shanahan for the #2 overall pick?? Sure it's not his call but maybe he can have some influence there hopefully!!! But damn a move from #12 to #2 would have to include, #12 pick (for sure duh), #44, 3rd comp pick, #191 5th round pick, 2022 1st round pick, two 2022 3rd round picks and maybe another late rounder. IMO that should do it, the Rams went from #15 to #1 and gave up a similar trade and they also got a couple picks back in return a 4th round pick and a 6th round pick.

I would assume a trade would be slightly cheaper since the 9ers would only be moving up 10 spots.

The problem with trading to the Jets, is that they also have the leverage of "well we can just stay here and pick our QB".

If they somehow actually are fully sold on Darnold then maybe, but I don't think so.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
With all these extra comp picks it is a no brainer to go get this guy.

I hope Wilson is within reach to trade up for. I would trade a 2nd round pick and two of the 3rd round comp picks to try and get into the top 10 for Wilson.

If we could get Wilson with only giving up that I'd be so happy

Well that's assuming the 9ers go from 12 to 9 or 10, that's pretty much my idea of within reach. Any further than that say 5 to 2 and IMO I think a 2022 1st round pick and a couple more picks will be involved.

I think the absolute lowest he goes (where we can move up) is 6 the philly. You have DET and CAR at 7/8 without question they would take Wilson and I won't be shocked if one of them move up to say the 2nd-4th pick overall.

You want Wilson you're gonna have to pay for him....which I'm fine with.

I was really hoping that the Lions and Panthers got into the playoffs and did good this past season. Now we have two more teams looking for QB's. But who knows maybe Saleh helps the 9ers out and works a deal with Shanahan for the #2 overall pick?? Sure it's not his call but maybe he can have some influence there hopefully!!! But damn a move from #12 to #2 would have to include, #12 pick (for sure duh), #44, 3rd comp pick, #191 5th round pick, 2022 1st round pick, two 2022 3rd round picks and maybe another late rounder. IMO that should do it, the Rams went from #15 to #1 and gave up a similar trade and they also got a couple picks back in return a 4th round pick and a 6th round pick.

I would assume a trade would be slightly cheaper since the 9ers would only be moving up 10 spots.

The problem with trading to the Jets, is that they also have the leverage of "well we can just stay here and pick our QB".

If they somehow actually are fully sold on Darnold then maybe, but I don't think so.

Been looking on the Jets message board and from what I seen majority wanna keep Darnold. So hopefully they do, but the GM and new HC and OC has no ties to Darnold so that's the only thing that worries me.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

With all these extra comp picks it is a no brainer to go get this guy.

I hope Wilson is within reach to trade up for. I would trade a 2nd round pick and two of the 3rd round comp picks to try and get into the top 10 for Wilson.

If we could get Wilson with only giving up that I'd be so happy

Well that's assuming the 9ers go from 12 to 9 or 10, that's pretty much my idea of within reach. Any further than that say 5 to 2 and IMO I think a 2022 1st round pick and a couple more picks will be involved.

I think the absolute lowest he goes (where we can move up) is 6 the philly. You have DET and CAR at 7/8 without question they would take Wilson and I won't be shocked if one of them move up to say the 2nd-4th pick overall.

You want Wilson you're gonna have to pay for him....which I'm fine with.

I was really hoping that the Lions and Panthers got into the playoffs and did good this past season. Now we have two more teams looking for QB's. But who knows maybe Saleh helps the 9ers out and works a deal with Shanahan for the #2 overall pick?? Sure it's not his call but maybe he can have some influence there hopefully!!! But damn a move from #12 to #2 would have to include, #12 pick (for sure duh), #44, 3rd comp pick, #191 5th round pick, 2022 1st round pick, two 2022 3rd round picks and maybe another late rounder. IMO that should do it, the Rams went from #15 to #1 and gave up a similar trade and they also got a couple picks back in return a 4th round pick and a 6th round pick.

I would assume a trade would be slightly cheaper since the 9ers would only be moving up 10 spots.

The problem with trading to the Jets, is that they also have the leverage of "well we can just stay here and pick our QB".

If they somehow actually are fully sold on Darnold then maybe, but I don't think so.

Been looking on the Jets message board and from what I seen majority wanna keep Darnold. So hopefully they do, but the GM and new HC and OC has no ties to Darnold so that's the only thing that worries me.

It's an unfair situation for me, they didn't draft him, but no matter what they do they'll be judged on hindsight. If they keep him he has to outperform every QB taken after Trevor.

If they let him go, the one they pick needs to, and also hope Darnold doesn't thrive at another team.

If it's me I'm picking the QB I like most, I'd go Wilson at the moment, but I really hope they don't.

TDN full profile.....

PROSPECT SUMMARY - ZACH WILSON

Zach Wilson plays the game with good athleticism overall, as evidenced by his ability to escape and evade pressure both in and out of the pocket. This athleticism makes him a viable threat in the zone-read, giving opponents another thing to defend. In the passing game, he has made tremendous strides since the 2019 season. Some of these feats are "rare." In fact, his ability to throw the ball with timing and anticipation is elite. His production in the clutch has been money in several instances in 2020. He plays with the poise and moxie reminiscent of a high NFL draft pick.

Ideal Role: Starting NFL quarterback.

Scheme Fit: A multiple offense with spread principles.

FILM EVALUATIONGames watched: Boise State (2020), WKU (2020), Coastal Carolina (2020), Houston (2020)

Best Game Studied: Boise State (2020)

Worst Game Studied: Coastal Carolina (2020)

Accuracy: Overall, his accuracy has been excellent in spurts. He has moments where he puts the ball away from the defender and other moments where receivers have to come back for the ball. Overall, there have been more instances of excellent accuracy, showing yet another area of progression from 2019 to 2020.

Decision Making: There were several instances in 2019 of him being careless with the football. However, he's improved overall in this regard. He still has some ill-advised moments where he feels as if he can get away with some of the flashy, look-away plays that have become popular.

Poise: He has always demonstrated excellent poise in the pocket. He has an innate feel for the rush and does an outstanding job keeping his eyes downfield. He has also responded well to adversity to lead his team to victory, which is evident by his 2020 rebound from an inconsistent 2019.

Progressions: He does an excellent job of coming off his primary and checking it down when necessary. In the WKU game (2020), the running back was eager to get out in his route and forgot to chip the linebacker. The linebacker rushes and instead of his throwing it to his open front side slot down the field, he checked it down to the running back who had just leaked out and he scored a touchdown. This is tremendous growth from him, in that regard.

Release: His release is tight, compact, and efficient. That, along with his anticipation and timing, has afforded him the ability to get the ball in tight windows. His ability to change his arm angle to fit the ball where it needs to be is rare, as is his ability to get the ball wherever he needs to due to the fluidity in his release.

Pocket Manipulation: He has demonstrated an excellent ability to manipulate the pocket. Whenever there's pressure, he has subtle movements within the pocket and out of the pocket that buys him time. He does an excellent job of booting to his left, flipping his hips around, and delivering a strike.

Arm Strength: For me, his arm strength isn't the best attribute of his skill set, as it is for others. However, he certainly has proven to have the ability to get the ball where he needs to get it—particularly in the short-to-intermediate areas. On some of his deep balls, receivers have to stop and come back for it. Again, there's nothing alarming as he can make all of the required NFL throws.

Mobility: His mobility to maneuver in and out of the pocket is a strength. He can extend plays and get to the sticks on critical third downs. He also demonstrates his mobility when booting to his left, flipping his hips, and delivering the football downfield.

Leadership: It is clear that his personality is infectious and his teammates gravitate toward him. He had to lead them through adversity in 2019 and in 2020. In 2020, they had a large target on their back as a result of the success and notoriety of him personally, as well as the team's overall success. He led them to an outstanding season.

Mechanics: He throws the football with a wide base, presumably to get enough velocity on the football. Similar to a boxer who strikes from a wide base and ultimately overstrides, this prohibits him from stepping into his throws and getting the hip rotation he needs on some of his balls.

Prospect Comparison: Tony Romo (2003 NFL Draft, Undrafted)

I've found myself at some point this off-season really liking every one of the top 4 quarterbacks and I can see them all being successful, depending on where they go. In a 7-on-7 league, Zach Wilson may be the best pure thrower of them all with no one around him. In the padded pro game Fields and Lawrence rank above him to me.

What I like to watch for with prospects is how much courage they have to sit in the pocket and go through progressions with havoc flying around them or to stare down the barrel and deliver throws right as they're getting hit. Fields will hold onto the ball too long some times as he goes through progressions or waits for number 1 to uncover, but his escapability is fantastic and he rarely gets sacked by the first guy, regardless.

Wilson does a lot of catch the snap, rock and throw, or he's 5 yards away from any pressure and locking on to one target and using his extremely accurate arm to hit them down field. A lot of times, he strays from the pocket unnecessarily and plays back yard football. I don't think he's the level of athlete that will let him get away with that in the pros. I think he will have to win more from the pocket with people around him than he's comfortable at this point and I think this is where he will struggle. That is with people around his body and feet.

I also think his arm is very good when he can set his feet or whip his hips around in the move, but if he's flat footed and can't bring his hips through, his arm is a little overrated.

I like the kid and he's a pure thrower and has some real improvisational skills. My worry is that the athleticism will translate more as a Mayfield or Manzel, which will not allow him to get out of harms way as he does in college and that he won't excel with people breathing down his neck.

On the other hand, with Shannahan scheming people open, he will hit them in stride, if he has time, short, medium, or deep, and he would be an obvious upgrade over Jimmy G.

Originally posted by genus49:
Wilson is my dude if we make the move up. Lawrence isn't happening. Wilson to me is the best fit for us outside of Lawrence.

Would rather trade up for Wilson than pay up for Watson. Yes Watson is a known commodity and one of the elite QBs in the game but I'm not trading away any of our core players to land Watson if we can get a guy like Wilson for just draft picks and control him for 5 years on a rookie deal.

yeah, this is what I am thinking. Would be great to have Watson but the competition and compensation for him is too great. Rather just use picks to get Wilson.

I went back and watched the Coastal Carolina game again. Since this was their toughest competition. BYU has top 10 OL and Carolina was only team to put consistent pressure on Zach.

I challenge anyone to rewatch that game and tell me how many good passes he made under pressure.

Yes he had a couple good runs but how many passes did he make under duress? I'm not talking about passes he made rolling out. I'm talking about under duress.

I like him a lot, just not enough to give up the bounty of picks. If there wasn't going to be a contraction of the cap, doubts we couldn't sign all our free agents, edge questions, etc I'd be more on board. Basically I'm not fully sold he can cover up for what Jimmy lacks. Now if this were our 2019 squad we were going into - Buckner - Sanders + Kinlaw + Aiyuk, I'd be all on board.

I'm more interested in adding as much talent via the draft in 2021 and if it seems that Jimmy is indeed the weak link next season, go all in for the best QB that fits what Shanahan wants.

Originally posted by krizay:

I went back and watched the Coastal Carolina game again. Since this was their toughest competition. BYU has top 10 OL and Carolina was only team to put consistent pressure on Zach.

I challenge anyone to rewatch that game and tell me how many good passes he made under pressure.

Yes he had a couple good runs but how many passes did he make under duress? I'm not talking about passes he made rolling out. I'm talking about under duress.

Watched that game and he made a lot of good passes under pressure. His receivers let him down with a lot of drops.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Watched that game and he made a lot of good passes under pressure. His receivers let him down with a lot of drops.

Lol no you are thinking roll outs. I'm tslking under pressure.

Yes there were drops. But then there's perspective. If we are talking Deebo or Aiyuk we blame ball placement by the QBs. When watching Zach is all about the WRs.

But again I'm talking guys in his face. Not necessarily rolling out.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Watched that game and he made a lot of good passes under pressure. His receivers let him down with a lot of drops.

Lol no you are thinking roll outs. I'm tslking under pressure.

Yes there were drops. But then there's perspective. If we are talking Deebo or Aiyuk we blame ball placement by the QBs. When watching Zach is all about the WRs.

But again I'm talking guys in his face. Not necessarily rolling out.

I might go back and rewatch, but I thought he did a nice job considering the pressure. I did think he should have recognised some more of them.

Can't we just trade up for this guy!!!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Can't we just trade up for this guy!!!

He looks really good but we might be better off sitting and see what falls in our lap. I hate giving away picks

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Can't we just trade up for this guy!!!

As it stands this is my preferred option, #12 & the Saleh comps this year and next and the Mayhew comp the year after. Take it or leave it.

Sorry and next year's 1, would try and swing their 2nd back but wouldn't be a deal breaker.