Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Here's a fun 3 way trade.

NYJ -Gets Watson

Houston gets-Darnold, SF 12th, 2022 SF 1st, 2022 NYJ 1st, NYJ 2nd, NYJ 2nd in 2022, SF 3rd, SF 3rd in 2022 (Maybe some mid rd from Jets).

SF-gets 2nd overall and drafts Wilson.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

He sexy af, but I can't see this regime trading up for him.

Why?

They have been timid in the past and have actually PASSED on drafting qb's in round 1 etc. that's being said we have a lot of holes to fill again.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I don't think he's a bad evaluator.

I think the issue is, he thinks he can just grab Joe blow and make him a great QB...that's gonna come back to haunt him all said am done. You'd think after he saw what he did with Ryan that he would get the importance of having a top end talent at QB. You'd think he's see his bro lafleur winning like crazy with Rogers.

This is a QB league, that's what wins you SBs and gives you longevity in the league. I don't doubt Kyle as a HC and play-caller, top 5 imo. He's gonna get burnt if he doesn't get with the program at QB though.

Agreed. I like Kyle as well, but we have the right to question him. From what we know to date, he doesn't pick good players lol

I like Wilson. But again imo the cost to move up to 2 etc is so heavy.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

They have been timid in the past and have actually PASSED on drafting qb's in round 1 etc. that's being said we have a lot of holes to fill again.


Agreed. I like Kyle as well, but we have the right to question him. From what we know to date, he doesn't pick good players lol

I like Wilson. But again imo the cost to move up to 2 etc is so heavy.

QB take priority to every single thing....moving off Jimmy saves $50M. That's money you can use to fill in holes. You can move Jimmy to someone else for a pick on top of it.

People gotta get over draft picks and acting like they're gonna automatically become great players. We got plenty of examples of that not being the truth.

I hope kyle can open his eyes. His dad for lucky with Elway and Young.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
He sexy af, but I can't see this regime trading up for him.

Why?

They have been timid in the past and have actually PASSED on drafting qb's in round 1 etc. that's being said we have a lot of holes to fill again.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't think he's a bad evaluator.

I think the issue is, he thinks he can just grab Joe blow and make him a great QB...that's gonna come back to haunt him all said am done. You'd think after he saw what he did with Ryan that he would get the importance of having a top end talent at QB. You'd think he's see his bro lafleur winning like crazy with Rogers.

This is a QB league, that's what wins you SBs and gives you longevity in the league. I don't doubt Kyle as a HC and play-caller, top 5 imo. He's gonna get burnt if he doesn't get with the program at QB though.

Agreed. I like Kyle as well, but we have the right to question him. From what we know to date, he doesn't pick good players lol

I like Wilson. But again imo the cost to move up to 2 etc is so heavy.

we drafted/brought in great players. enough to be mins away from a SB victory.

Kyle had a plan his first year and it didn't go as he thought. I don't see him making the same mistake now and we have a better team than we did in 2017.

With that said, this year is a perfect year to splurge on Zach. But i get that we have been beaten, battered and brainwashed into thinking of we don't splurge on anything. I hope we break that mold this year

Originally posted by NYniner85:

QB take priority to every single thing....moving off Jimmy saves $50M. That's money you can use to fill in holes. You can move Jimmy to someone else for a pick on top of it.

People gotta get over draft picks and acting like they're gonna automatically become great players. We got plenty of examples of that not being the truth.

I hope kyle can open his eyes. His dad for lucky with Elway and Young.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

we drafted/brought in great players. enough to be mins away from a SB victory.

Kyle had a plan his first year and it didn't go as he thought. I don't see him making the same mistake now and we have a better team than we did in 2017.

With that said, this year is a perfect year to splurge on Zach. But i get that we have been beaten, battered and brainwashed into thinking of we don't splurge on anything. I hope we break that mold this year

QB takes priority but you still need a team around them. Moving on from JG saves money but also certainly sets us back at least a year IMO. I just wouldn't expect a rookie to outperform him (big IF he was healthy all year lol)

I do believe in building via the draft, keeps the cap manageable etc. but it's a crapshoot.

I they went all in for Wilson I would be ok with it. But I'd also be thinking it's more mid term and long term and we may be in a sorta reload situation for a season or two for many other parts of the roster.

We do have a very good roster when healthy. So they may be thinking reload the rest of the team and maybe take a qb that is more developmental since JG is also sorta cheap at this point. But nobody believes he will healthy.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

QB takes priority but you still need a team around them. Moving on from JG saves money but also certainly sets us back at least a year IMO. I just wouldn't expect a rookie to outperform him (big IF he was healthy all year lol)

I do believe in building via the draft, keeps the cap manageable etc. but it's a crapshoot.

I they went all in for Wilson I would be ok with it. But I'd also be thinking it's more mid term and long term and we may be in a sorta reload situation for a season or two for many other parts of the roster.

We do have a very good roster when healthy. So they may be thinking reload the rest of the team and maybe take a qb that is more developmental since JG is also sorta cheap at this point. But nobody believes he will healthy.

How does it set us back? Jimmy has missed almost as many games as he's played.

You can't confidently tell me that he's gonna play 16 games, let alone 16 games well. It wasn't like he was some QB savant in 2019. He just didn't play at a Mullens/CJ level. It was running the ball and playing good defense overall. Hey QB just don't f**k it up.

There were missed plays all over the place in 2019 from the QB. I don't see a good rookie being vastly worse than Jimmy, just don't. Kyle (like he does with Jimmy) will call plays to the rookies strengths and develop and build onto that.

Running it back with Jimmy IS taking a step back imo. You lose good players that you can't resign and you don't have the QB talent to overcome that loss.

Jimmy isnt cheap either. You say the draft is a crapshoot, yet can't give up "what if" future picks to go improve the most important position in sports?

NY, I love the passion, but it's fair if other people aren't out on Jimmy.

Jimmy is now 2 years from his ACL, no more brace. His ankle set him back loads, you could see how much he struggled, couldn't drive off his back foot at all. The Saints game proved that he's a good QB, and he's still developing.

Look I love Zach Wilson, but I also see a problem with blitz recognition.

I'd back him to overcome it, but there's a chance he just can't deal with it and you end up with Darnold.

That's a risk you take with every player, the NFL is just another level from college.

Can you run that risk when you have a QB that has taken you to a Superbowl?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

QB takes priority but you still need a team around them. Moving on from JG saves money but also certainly sets us back at least a year IMO. I just wouldn't expect a rookie to outperform him (big IF he was healthy all year lol)

I do believe in building via the draft, keeps the cap manageable etc. but it's a crapshoot.

I they went all in for Wilson I would be ok with it. But I'd also be thinking it's more mid term and long term and we may be in a sorta reload situation for a season or two for many other parts of the roster.

We do have a very good roster when healthy. So they may be thinking reload the rest of the team and maybe take a qb that is more developmental since JG is also sorta cheap at this point. But nobody believes he will healthy.

How does it set us back? Jimmy has missed almost as many games as he's played.

You can't confidently tell me that he's gonna play 16 games, let alone 16 games well. It wasn't like he was some QB savant in 2019. He just didn't play at a Mullens/CJ level. It was running the ball and playing good defense overall. Hey QB just don't f**k it up.

There were missed plays all over the place in 2019 from the QB. I don't see a good rookie being vastly worse than Jimmy, just don't. Kyle (like he does with Jimmy) will call plays to the rookies strengths and develop and build onto that.

Running it back with Jimmy IS taking a step back imo. You lose good players that you can't resign and you don't have the QB talent to overcome that loss.

Jimmy isnt cheap either. You say the draft is a crapshoot, yet can't give up "what if" future picks to go improve the most important position in sports?

I was the hardest on Jimmy after the super bowl loss. He blew it. Check the thread lol I got a lot of s**t for saying that right after. I also predicted he may never recover from it.

Even after all that I do not believe a rookie will automatically be better. Jimmy isn't terrible either, but he never stays on the field either, which I also mentioned earlier. Imo that's the biggest issue with him.

We have many other issues (o-line, secondary, de) that weren't a problem in 2019. Freeing up 50 million doesn't automatically just fix that. A lot of pieces need to be addressed. Imo the obvious move is securing Williams and even that isn't happening. So yes we need to see how FA shakes out and the. The draft will focus will become clearer IMO. So far not signing TW doesn't look good.

I don't disagree about trading up for the QB, I just don't see them doing it, and even if they did we're not automatically better next year. The o-line will be an issue and now with a depleted draft much less likely to add needed new blood. (unless current players simply improve) That will certainly NOT help a rookie develop. We have no secondary lol.

Also, the rookie Qb, could just not be good because, it's a crapshoot. Lol

We passed on Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Rosen, Jackson since this regime took over. That's kinda insane even tho hindsight is 20/20. Imo they have no eye for QB to develop.

Maybe they realize that and someone will take a chance? I think until they actually do something different they will do more of the same - keep drafting defensive line and offensive players to scheme with so we can keep the score in reach and Kyle scheme enough points to win.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I was the hardest on Jimmy after the super bowl loss. He blew it. Check the thread lol I got a lot of s**t for saying that right after. I also predicted he may never recover from it.

Even after all that I do not believe a rookie will automatically be better. Jimmy isn't terrible either, but he never stays on the field either, which I also mentioned earlier. Imo that's the biggest issue with him.

We have many other issues (o-line, secondary, de) that weren't a problem in 2019. Freeing up 50 million doesn't automatically just fix that. A lot of pieces need to be addressed. Imo the obvious move is securing Williams and even that isn't happening. So yes we need to see how FA shakes out and the. The draft will focus will become clearer IMO. So far not signing TW doesn't look good.

I don't disagree about trading up for the QB, I just don't see them doing it, and even if they did we're not automatically better next year. The o-line will be an issue and now with a depleted draft much less likely to add needed new blood. (unless current players simply improve) That will certainly NOT help a rookie develop. We have no secondary lol.

Also, the rookie Qb, could just not be good because, it's a crapshoot. Lol

We passed on Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Rosen, Jackson since this regime took over. That's kinda insane even tho hindsight is 20/20. Imo they have no eye for QB to develop.

Maybe they realize that and someone will take a chance? I think until they actually do something different they will do more of the same - keep drafting defensive line and offensive players to scheme with so we can keep the score in reach and Kyle scheme enough points to win.

Not freeing up $50M sure as s**t doesn't help improve anything...he doesn't have to be automatically better than Jimmy m. He's gotta be better than Mullens and comparable to Jimmy...with upside.

Everyone is in super Bowl or bust mode but that's not reality. Give me 9 wins and a possible trip to the playoffs plus a idea that we finally have a FQB.

I'm so sick of p***y footing around at QB, they've been doing it for 2 decades. Enough

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

NY, I love the passion, but it's fair if other people aren't out on Jimmy.

Jimmy is now 2 years from his ACL, no more brace. His ankle set him back loads, you could see how much he struggled, couldn't drive off his back foot at all. The Saints game proved that he's a good QB, and he's still developing.

Look I love Zach Wilson, but I also see a problem with blitz recognition.

I'd back him to overcome it, but there's a chance he just can't deal with it and you end up with Darnold.

That's a risk you take with every player, the NFL is just another level from college.

Can you run that risk when you have a QB that has taken you to a Superbowl?

If you don't believe that QB can win you a SB then...yeah, I probably take the risk.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

If you don't believe that QB can win you a SB then...yeah, I probably take the risk.

Agreed

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

If you don't believe that QB can win you a SB then...yeah, I probably take the risk.

Agreed

Exactly, and there are many out there who believe in Jimmy. Including teammates, and potentially ownership.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

NY, I love the passion, but it's fair if other people aren't out on Jimmy.

Jimmy is now 2 years from his ACL, no more brace. His ankle set him back loads, you could see how much he struggled, couldn't drive off his back foot at all. The Saints game proved that he's a good QB, and he's still developing.

Look I love Zach Wilson, but I also see a problem with blitz recognition.

I'd back him to overcome it, but there's a chance he just can't deal with it and you end up with Darnold.

That's a risk you take with every player, the NFL is just another level from college.

Can you run that risk when you have a QB that has taken you to a Superbowl?

Yeah I'm not trying to piss on anyone's parade or anything just giving my two cents.

At what point are we gonna stop using the Jimmy excuses? 2 yrs ago? If he doesn't play up to what is expected of a top end starting QB next yr are we gonna say oh well he missed 2020, so we should give him another yr on top of that?

Look we clearly don't have the long-term answer at QB. We're at the cusp of QB purgatory with avg play at a high dollar. It's like groundhog's day (for two decades) at this position.

We can't keep expecting great QB play without actually spending up for the position. They have ONE QB under contract and he can't stay healthy. That's a big problem.

Constantly pushing down the importance of getting the right guy (and investing for it) can get you canned just as well. Jimmy sucks or doesn't take this team where they go, then what? They more than likely don't have a higher pick and I'm not thrilled about the QB draft class next yr at all.

Jimmy didn't "take" SF to the SB, he was on the team but wasn't the main reason imo. People need to realize how bad the QBs behind Jimmy are. Throw another competent QB back there and they're going probably going to a SB in 2019, the roster overall was that good.

As far as Wilson and blitz recognition, that's something you get better with. That's all about reading a defense. I don't expect college QBs to be great at that yr 1...Jimmy isn't amazing at it either, BUT the system also helps him. Same s**t with Wilson. Big difference is Wilson can actually make something positive out of a blown play like that, Jimmy will get sacked or throw an INT.

Defenses will also have to play someone like Wilson/fields much different. Man to man on 3rd downs goes out the window in most scenarios.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Exactly, and there are many out there who believe in Jimmy. Including teammates, and potentially ownership.

And I think that's PR gibberish. If they truly thought that he would be getting an extension as well speak. They would have never flirted with Stafford or Brady.

They have no plan at QB as of right now....beyond hopping Jimmy magically turns into something he hasn't been.

I see people say that Jimmy's teammates love him and the coaches support him. That all may be true but it also could be guys just saying the right thing. I can't recall players ripping their starting QB. They always support him and most all their fellow teammates. With a few exceptions, receivers don't want to get on the bad side of the guy that's throwing them the ball. After they're traded or released is when you start to hear negative comments.