Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Wilson's floor, to me, seems like a more athletic Kirk Cousins, and the ceiling something Mahomes-like. Just one guy's opinion.

You can cut Ford and Richburg
Restructure Jimmy, Armstead, Ward and Laken
And you get 43m in cap space for 2021 with 102m for 2022
More than enough to bring back Trent, Juice, K'waun and Verrett. You can trade up if you really want Zach Wilson, but you still have to fill the C and EDGE positions.
But my guess is that they'll end drafting a Kellen Mond in day 3 and we'll see lots lots of whinning from the fanbase.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
You can cut Ford and Richburg
Restructure Jimmy, Armstead, Ward and Laken
And you get 43m in cap space for 2021 with 102m for 2022
More than enough to bring back Trent, Juice, K'waun and Verrett. You can trade up if you really want Zach Wilson, but you still have to fill the C and EDGE positions.
But my guess is that they'll end drafting a Kellen Mond in day 3 and we'll see lots lots of whining from the fanbase.

well that's the safest bet in the draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I don't see us trading Jimmy because who would want him? Maybe because his price is actually not terrible with the alternatives out there? imo he's on the roster next year even if we draft a QB rd 1. Or cut. lol

I really like Wilson btw, but we would have to seriously PAY up to move to 2 and that if the Jets don't want him.

It's funny we got some posters saying it's super bowl or bust, we can't get rid of Jimmy...it's just too risky lol

then we have guys saying, how can we trade Jimmy, I mean who's gonna want him lol.

the variance of how we all feel about Jimmy is wild.

100% Its a struggle. Jimmy flashed for us bunch early on, but kept getting hurt and he blew the big one right? That's the fact we live with. I can honestly say he is not terrible, but he also isn't bringing us home a SB win either. I really wanted to see how he played last year after that debacle, but he cannot stay on the damn field. He is still the best qb on the team and we need a plan for a new one before we just cast him out.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Jimmy is like the Dominos of the pizza game. It does it's job but man if you just put in some extra money or effort there's much much better out there.

lol right! We've been eating Dominos (or worse ) for two damn decades...I'm sick of that s**t! Spend some cash/draft capital to upgrade!

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And if you don't get a QB of the future and go all in with Jimmy only to see him get hurt and we have yet another lost season...does Jed get twitchy all the same? If you lose talent because you can't afford them (because of Jimmy) and don't make the playoffs, does Jef get twitchy?

SF goes 8-8 with a watered down roster and Jimmy isn't anything special, then what? You have no young QB to hang your hat on. You're not sitting in a good spot to draft a QB either. You're in QB purgatory.

Come on, one more year is not all in, he would get no more guaranteed money, and in my plan we'd still have a QB in the building, just not one we spent the earth for.

If you had said, Jimmy gets hurt and you have a poor year, then fine, but you seem to have forgotten his record, and more importantly our record with him.

You also glossed over that my plan also has a potential QB of the future, so where's the purgatory?

Ahh you either have to restructure Jimmy, so at the bare minimum you can keep some of the talent you might be losing... which in fact keeps in him SF throughout his contract. OR you let him ride on his $27M, lose good talent and pretend like Jimmy can elevate this team. You draft a rookie QB in you scenario (correct?) who doesn't touch the field, so it's not like he's helping this roster next yr regardless. I see no point in pretending like Jimmy isn't anything more than an avg QB, who's making top end money in a cap strapped yr.

His record IMO has more to do with how s**tty our backups are vs how good he actually is. I mean look at freaking Brain Hoyer in 2017, with a MUCH MUCH worse team...5 of his 6 starts we lost by 3 or less points and he's horrible. Throw Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, or hell even Keenum back there and we're winning 9-11 games. That's more about the roster and coaching and just having a QB that can play football at the NFL level...Then Jimmy being some fantastic QB.

Who's your QB of the future that they don't have to move up for? I'd love for Lance to magically drop BUT if he's your QB you have to go up and get him. You can't wait and hope he drops. You can't be "okay' if he's not there...IMO that means you didn't even really want him to begin with.... People in here value future picks WAY TOO MUCH. All you can control is who is in this draft and where you're drafting right now. Next yrs draft could be absolute s**t. The QB class could be trash. The hit rate is at best 50/50 and IMO it's even less then that if we're thinking these 1st rd picks are all that.

Just go get your guy. It's the most important position in aports... Have faith in this coaching staff to continue to build the roster and develop him...if you don't think they can do that, well we need to be looking for a different FO/HC then.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
You can cut Ford and Richburg
Restructure Jimmy, Armstead, Ward and Laken
And you get 43m in cap space for 2021 with 102m for 2022
More than enough to bring back Trent, Juice, K'waun and Verrett. You can trade up if you really want Zach Wilson, but you still have to fill the C and EDGE positions.
But my guess is that they'll end drafting a Kellen Mond in day 3 and we'll see lots lots of whinning from the fanbase.

There is no point in restructuring AA this yr. His cap hit is like $12M (which isn't bad). Save that for 2022 when his cap hit is much higher....you can push that money into his 2025 cap yr.

Give Laken an extension and I agree restructure Ward. I would ask Richburg to take the vet min or cut him (unless he's just not healthy enough). Ford would be best as a post June 1st cut. I think he's do like $11M on 4/1. That's gonna be interesting.

Restructuring Jimmy keeps him here through the rest of his contract.

I see no reason why they would be interested in Mond. There's nothing he does from the QB position that Kyle likes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
You can cut Ford and Richburg
Restructure Jimmy, Armstead, Ward and Laken
And you get 43m in cap space for 2021 with 102m for 2022
More than enough to bring back Trent, Juice, K'waun and Verrett. You can trade up if you really want Zach Wilson, but you still have to fill the C and EDGE positions.
But my guess is that they'll end drafting a Kellen Mond in day 3 and we'll see lots lots of whinning from the fanbase.

There is no point in restructuring AA this yr. His cap hit is like $12M (which isn't bad). Save that for 2022 when his cap hit is much higher....you can push that money into his 2025 cap yr.

Give Laken an extension and I agree restructure Ward. I would ask Richburg to take the vet min or cut him (unless he's just not healthy enough). Ford would be best as a post June 1st cut. I think he's do like $11M on 4/1. That's gonna be interesting.

Restructuring Jimmy keeps him here through the rest of his contract.

I see no reason why they would be interested in Mond. There's nothing he does from the QB position that Kyle likes.

Restructuring Jimmy keeps him in SF this year with 14m
For 2022 his salary would go up to 38m. If you cut or trade him then, you'd get a 12m penalty in dead money.
For Jimmy it's either restructure, trade or cut. Paying him 27m is unnaceptable with the drop of cap space.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
100% Its a struggle. Jimmy flashed for us bunch early on, but kept getting hurt and he blew the big one right? That's the fact we live with. I can honestly say he is not terrible, but he also isn't bringing us home a SB win either. I really wanted to see how he played last year after that debacle, but he cannot stay on the damn field. He is still the best qb on the team and we need a plan for a new one before we just cast him out.

IMO It wasn't even that he flashed a ton...we've had s**t QB play for 2 decades. We saw a NFL level QB and thought we found the answer lol. When he got hurt we didn't have NFL level QBs behind him. If we had Dalton/Keenum as his backup I don't even think we would see that much of a downgrade.

He needs to take a straight up pay cut but he wont and I don't blame him.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Restructuring Jimmy keeps him in SF this year with 14m
For 2022 his salary would go up to 38m. If you cut or trade him then, you'd get a 12m penalty in dead money.
For Jimmy it's either restructure, trade or cut. Paying him 27m is unnaceptable with the drop of cap space.

I agree you can't keep his deal the way it is, where are you getting the $12M DM hit from in 2022?

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wilson's floor, to me, seems like a more athletic Kirk Cousins, and the ceiling something Mahomes-like. Just one guy's opinion.

I like the Derek Carr/Baker Mayfield comp. Was a big fan of both QBs coming out. Excited to see Wilson play in the NFL, but I'd cautious about the trade up.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wilson's floor, to me, seems like a more athletic Kirk Cousins, and the ceiling something Mahomes-like. Just one guy's opinion.

I like the Derek Carr/Baker Mayfield comp. Was a big fan of both QBs coming out. Excited to see Wilson play in the NFL, but I'd cautious about the trade up.

I agree I think his arm talent is better then both of them as well. Kyle was a big fan of Carr in the draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wilson's floor, to me, seems like a more athletic Kirk Cousins, and the ceiling something Mahomes-like. Just one guy's opinion.

I like the Derek Carr/Baker Mayfield comp. Was a big fan of both QBs coming out. Excited to see Wilson play in the NFL, but I'd cautious about the trade up.

I agree I think his arm talent is better then both of them as well. Kyle was a big fan of Carr in the draft

As far as mechanics, I see the Carr comparison almost spot on. The arm, I feel is very similar to Baker's coming out, and that's not a bad thing, imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ahh you either have to restructure Jimmy, so at the bare minimum you can keep some of the talent you might be losing... which in fact keeps in him SF throughout his contract. OR you let him ride on his $27M, lose good talent and pretend like Jimmy can elevate this team. You draft a rookie QB in you scenario (correct?) who doesn't touch the field, so it's not like he's helping this roster next yr regardless. I see no point in pretending like Jimmy isn't anything more than an avg QB, who's making top end money in a cap strapped yr.

His record IMO has more to do with how s**tty our backups are vs how good he actually is. I mean look at freaking Brain Hoyer in 2017, with a MUCH MUCH worse team...5 of his 6 starts we lost by 3 or less points and he's horrible. Throw Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, or hell even Keenum back there and we're winning 9-11 games. That's more about the roster and coaching and just having a QB that can play football at the NFL level...Then Jimmy being some fantastic QB.

Who's your QB of the future that they don't have to move up for? I'd love for Lance to magically drop BUT if he's your QB you have to go up and get him. You can't wait and hope he drops. You can't be "okay' if he's not there...IMO that means you didn't even really want him to begin with.... People in here value future picks WAY TOO MUCH. All you can control is who is in this draft and where you're drafting right now. Next yrs draft could be absolute s**t. The QB class could be trash. The hit rate is at best 50/50 and IMO it's even less then that if we're thinking these 1st rd picks are all that.

Just go get your guy. It's the most important position in aports... Have faith in this coaching staff to continue to build the roster and develop him...if you don't think they can do that, well we need to be looking for a different FO/HC then.

I'm happy with a trade up for any of them that doesn't involve any more than an additional
1, that's more about protecting Kyle and the perception that you'll have to rush to play the rookie.
We both know I'm predicting Lance to be there, Mac Jones is way behind the others as my 5th option, but I'd also be ok with him.

If this were next year and we'd had a similar year of either injury for Jimmy or lack of progress. I'd pull the trigger on a move all the way to 2, pretty much whatever it took, I just think the dynamic would be a lot different.

I just think that the perception in the building is that even though we could do better, we could also win a Superbowl with him, and therefore do a lot worse.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wilson's floor, to me, seems like a more athletic Kirk Cousins, and the ceiling something Mahomes-like. Just one guy's opinion.

I like the Derek Carr/Baker Mayfield comp. Was a big fan of both QBs coming out. Excited to see Wilson play in the NFL, but I'd cautious about the trade up.

I agree I think his arm talent is better then both of them as well. Kyle was a big fan of Carr in the draft

What do you think it would take to trade up to 2?