Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
"We gotta trade Garoppolo, dude sucks, too expensive, can't trust him to be our quarterback!"

"Someone will totally give us a 2nd for him!"

Lol. Facts.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Lol. Facts.

Well if Wentz is worth 1 or 2 1st surly JG has some value, no?

rosen went for a 2nd.

I mean if the league thinks he has zero value in a trade, what's that say about Jimmy?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
"We gotta trade Garoppolo, dude sucks, too expensive, can't trust him to be our quarterback!"

"Someone will totally give us a 2nd for him!"

Lol. Facts.

Realistically I could see getting a 4th for JG.... Make it a conditional 2nd if he stays healthy and makes the pro bowl lol
If we want Wilson it will cost a fortune and these guys have done nothing that drastic to date. The only reason I won't shoot it down completely is I believe Kyle and John admit to themselves and each other they've clearly missed on a bunch of rookie QB's so maybe that will make them
more risky ambitious.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Goatie:


If the dudes were in the KC fanbase they would be doing the same number on Mahomes right now. Hilarious lmfao

Nah we would be saying Mahomes was still dropping dimes, his receivers dropped 3 TDs and 3rd down conversions.

Yeah, we're really not comparing Jg to Mahomes, right?

Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Sod it, I'm in, call the Jets, send our 1 & 2 this year 1 & 2 next year and one of our 3rd comp picks (2 if they demand them)

Send Jimmy to the Pats for one of their 2nd rounders and let's go all in.

Sell it as Zach is the future and Jimmy can't stay healthy.

If it blows up in your face everyone will get fired but hopefully they'll get at least two years, and by then Zach should be money. We'd then have two studs at premium positions (Inc Bosa) on rookie deals and can re-sign everyone we want.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If they can get a 2nd for Jimmy on top of getting wilson it would be a homerun play IMO. Grab Mack in FA. Go get a vet EDGE rusher, keep TW, keep Verrett, grab another CB in FA. Go get a CB/IOL with that Jimmy comp (maybe move down a little to get some more picks). Still have a 4th, 3 5th and some late day 3 picks to add depth and develop at WR/EDGE/OL/CB.

QB of the future on a rookie deal...all your foundational guys under contract for a couple yrs. SF has shown then can find talent outside of the top 50. Money to work with for the next 5 yrs....YES PLEASE.

This is the way

That's a lot to give up for a guy who's nowhere near a sure bet. He's got all the physical tools but he makes a lot of bad choices too.

You might get a couple years down the line and realize you closed a championship window by trading away a handful of high draft picks for another Drew Lock. Better be damn sure of what you're getting if you make that kind of move or else you end up being remembered for that move forever, in a bad way.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

Yeah.

These guys are in here acting like he's an Andrew Luck level prospect when he is actually a much more high risk//high reward boom or bust guy.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Sod it, I'm in, call the Jets, send our 1 & 2 this year 1 & 2 next year and one of our 3rd comp picks (2 if they demand them)

Send Jimmy to the Pats for one of their 2nd rounders and let's go all in.

Sell it as Zach is the future and Jimmy can't stay healthy.

If it blows up in your face everyone will get fired but hopefully they'll get at least two years, and by then Zach should be money. We'd then have two studs at premium positions (Inc Bosa) on rookie deals and can re-sign everyone we want.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If they can get a 2nd for Jimmy on top of getting wilson it would be a homerun play IMO. Grab Mack in FA. Go get a vet EDGE rusher, keep TW, keep Verrett, grab another CB in FA. Go get a CB/IOL with that Jimmy comp (maybe move down a little to get some more picks). Still have a 4th, 3 5th and some late day 3 picks to add depth and develop at WR/EDGE/OL/CB.

QB of the future on a rookie deal...all your foundational guys under contract for a couple yrs. SF has shown then can find talent outside of the top 50. Money to work with for the next 5 yrs....YES PLEASE.

This is the way

That's a lot to give up for a guy who's nowhere near a sure bet. He's got all the physical tools but he makes a lot of bad choices too.

You might get a couple years down the line and realize you closed a championship window by trading away a handful of high draft picks for another Drew Lock. Better be damn sure of what you're getting if you make that kind of move or else you end up being remembered for that move forever, in a bad way.

This is where I was until very recently, I think Zach Wilson is a great prospect, but he's still a prospect. The reason I've learnt this way is that I'm fairly sure Kyle wants to upgrade from Jimmy, and if you don't make an aggressive move now you may be left in desperation mode soon.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Yeah.

These guys are in here acting like he's an Andrew Luck level prospect when he is actually a much more high risk//high reward boom or bust guy.

The tools are there, and by all accounts he works his @ss off. That's a guy I'm happy to bet on, my only concern is his frame, which combined with his hero play style could lead to injuries, plus he already has an injury history.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

Link? And that's fine if true, nobody would want to touch him in the top 10 if that's the case and we should expect an Aaron Rodgers like drop then right? Lo faakin l

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Sod it, I'm in, call the Jets, send our 1 & 2 this year 1 & 2 next year and one of our 3rd comp picks (2 if they demand them)

Send Jimmy to the Pats for one of their 2nd rounders and let's go all in.

Sell it as Zach is the future and Jimmy can't stay healthy.

If it blows up in your face everyone will get fired but hopefully they'll get at least two years, and by then Zach should be money. We'd then have two studs at premium positions (Inc Bosa) on rookie deals and can re-sign everyone we want.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If they can get a 2nd for Jimmy on top of getting wilson it would be a homerun play IMO. Grab Mack in FA. Go get a vet EDGE rusher, keep TW, keep Verrett, grab another CB in FA. Go get a CB/IOL with that Jimmy comp (maybe move down a little to get some more picks). Still have a 4th, 3 5th and some late day 3 picks to add depth and develop at WR/EDGE/OL/CB.

QB of the future on a rookie deal...all your foundational guys under contract for a couple yrs. SF has shown then can find talent outside of the top 50. Money to work with for the next 5 yrs....YES PLEASE.

This is the way

That's a lot to give up for a guy who's nowhere near a sure bet. He's got all the physical tools but he makes a lot of bad choices too.

You might get a couple years down the line and realize you closed a championship window by trading away a handful of high draft picks for another Drew Lock. Better be damn sure of what you're getting if you make that kind of move or else you end up being remembered for that move forever, in a bad way.

This is where I was until very recently, I think Zach Wilson is a great prospect, but he's still a prospect. The reason I've learnt this way is that I'm fairly sure Kyle wants to upgrade from Jimmy, and if you don't make an aggressive move now you may be left in desperation mode soon.

I went back thought 40 or 50 pages to check for this video and didn't see. Hopefully I didn't just miss it.

Either way. J.T. O'Sullivan (yeah, same one) does a really good job of breaking down QBs on his YouTube channel. You can see that Wilson has a lot to be excited about but there are also times when he just doesn't recognize (or understand) how a defense is designed and what's going to happen. There are times when he misses reads or doesn't get through progressions. Times when he rushes things because he feels pressure that really isn't there yet. Times when he put his receivers in really bad spots. And times when he tries to do some pretty boneheaded things, like no-look passes.

Whoever gets him is going to have to break all of those habits and instincts without also breaking the gunslinger kind of mindset that let's him take advantage of some of those tools he has. That's not going to be easy. I see a lot of opportunity for failure and a sweet spot where he's an elite NFL QB. But some of the things in this video, if he tried on Sunday would be a disaster.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Yeah.

These guys are in here acting like he's an Andrew Luck level prospect when he is actually a much more high risk//high reward boom or bust guy.

Yeah no, the guy people acting like is an Andrew Luck prospect would be Trevor Lawrence. What makes him a high risk high reward boom or bust guy compared to the other QBs in the draft?

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Yeah.

These guys are in here acting like he's an Andrew Luck level prospect when he is actually a much more high risk//high reward boom or bust guy.

Yeah no, the guy people acting like is an Andrew Luck prospect would be Trevor Lawrence. What makes him a high risk high reward boom or bust guy compared to the other QBs in the draft?

See the post above where you asked.