Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Sod it, I'm in, call the Jets, send our 1 & 2 this year 1 & 2 next year and one of our 3rd comp picks (2 if they demand them)

Send Jimmy to the Pats for one of their 2nd rounders and let's go all in.

Sell it as Zach is the future and Jimmy can't stay healthy.

If it blows up in your face everyone will get fired but hopefully they'll get at least two years, and by then Zach should be money. We'd then have two studs at premium positions (Inc Bosa) on rookie deals and can re-sign everyone we want.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If they can get a 2nd for Jimmy on top of getting wilson it would be a homerun play IMO. Grab Mack in FA. Go get a vet EDGE rusher, keep TW, keep Verrett, grab another CB in FA. Go get a CB/IOL with that Jimmy comp (maybe move down a little to get some more picks). Still have a 4th, 3 5th and some late day 3 picks to add depth and develop at WR/EDGE/OL/CB.

QB of the future on a rookie deal...all your foundational guys under contract for a couple yrs. SF has shown then can find talent outside of the top 50. Money to work with for the next 5 yrs....YES PLEASE.

This is the way

That's a lot to give up for a guy who's nowhere near a sure bet. He's got all the physical tools but he makes a lot of bad choices too.

You might get a couple years down the line and realize you closed a championship window by trading away a handful of high draft picks for another Drew Lock. Better be damn sure of what you're getting if you make that kind of move or else you end up being remembered for that move forever, in a bad way.

This is where I was until very recently, I think Zach Wilson is a great prospect, but he's still a prospect. The reason I've learnt this way is that I'm fairly sure Kyle wants to upgrade from Jimmy, and if you don't make an aggressive move now you may be left in desperation mode soon.

I went back thought 40 or 50 pages to check for this video and didn't see. Hopefully I didn't just miss it.

Either way. J.T. O'Sullivan (yeah, same one) does a really good job of breaking down QBs on his YouTube channel. You can see that Wilson has a lot to be excited about but there are also times when he just doesn't recognize (or understand) how a defense is designed and what's going to happen. There are times when he misses reads or doesn't get through progressions. Times when he rushes things because he feels pressure that really isn't there yet. Times when he put his receivers in really bad spots. And times when he tries to do some pretty boneheaded things, like no-look passes.

Whoever gets him is going to have to break all of those habits and instincts without also breaking the gunslinger kind of mindset that let's him take advantage of some of those tools he has. That's not going to be easy. I see a lot of opportunity for failure and a sweet spot where he's an elite NFL QB. But some of the things in this video, if he tried on Sunday would be a disaster.

Misses reads on a team that plays a soft schedule in an offense where he rarely see's any pressure.

He has physical tools to be excited about but he is perhaps the biggest boom or bust QB in this draft.

This thread will be fun to revisit

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Sod it, I'm in, call the Jets, send our 1 & 2 this year 1 & 2 next year and one of our 3rd comp picks (2 if they demand them)

Send Jimmy to the Pats for one of their 2nd rounders and let's go all in.

Sell it as Zach is the future and Jimmy can't stay healthy.

If it blows up in your face everyone will get fired but hopefully they'll get at least two years, and by then Zach should be money. We'd then have two studs at premium positions (Inc Bosa) on rookie deals and can re-sign everyone we want.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If they can get a 2nd for Jimmy on top of getting wilson it would be a homerun play IMO. Grab Mack in FA. Go get a vet EDGE rusher, keep TW, keep Verrett, grab another CB in FA. Go get a CB/IOL with that Jimmy comp (maybe move down a little to get some more picks). Still have a 4th, 3 5th and some late day 3 picks to add depth and develop at WR/EDGE/OL/CB.

QB of the future on a rookie deal...all your foundational guys under contract for a couple yrs. SF has shown then can find talent outside of the top 50. Money to work with for the next 5 yrs....YES PLEASE.

This is the way

That's a lot to give up for a guy who's nowhere near a sure bet. He's got all the physical tools but he makes a lot of bad choices too.

You might get a couple years down the line and realize you closed a championship window by trading away a handful of high draft picks for another Drew Lock. Better be damn sure of what you're getting if you make that kind of move or else you end up being remembered for that move forever, in a bad way.

This is where I was until very recently, I think Zach Wilson is a great prospect, but he's still a prospect. The reason I've learnt this way is that I'm fairly sure Kyle wants to upgrade from Jimmy, and if you don't make an aggressive move now you may be left in desperation mode soon.

I went back thought 40 or 50 pages to check for this video and didn't see. Hopefully I didn't just miss it.

Either way. J.T. O'Sullivan (yeah, same one) does a really good job of breaking down QBs on his YouTube channel. You can see that Wilson has a lot to be excited about but there are also times when he just doesn't recognize (or understand) how a defense is designed and what's going to happen. There are times when he misses reads or doesn't get through progressions. Times when he rushes things because he feels pressure that really isn't there yet. Times when he put his receivers in really bad spots. And times when he tries to do some pretty boneheaded things, like no-look passes.

Whoever gets him is going to have to break all of those habits and instincts without also breaking the gunslinger kind of mindset that let's him take advantage of some of those tools he has. That's not going to be easy. I see a lot of opportunity for failure and a sweet spot where he's an elite NFL QB. But some of the things in this video, if he tried on Sunday would be a disaster.

Misses reads on a team that plays a soft schedule in an offense where he rarely see's any pressure.

He has physical tools to be excited about but he is perhaps the biggest boom or bust QB in this draft.

There's a TD in that video that he throw to a RB on a little dump off. The RB takes it to the house with 5 or 6 guys just blowing it on defense to let him score. Anyway, Wilson dumps it off because he sees a LB flash up the middle, but completely misses two guys wide open downfield, at least one who would have walked in for a TD if he's threw it. He had time, he just panicked. He got lucky, but in the NFL that RB gets dumped where he caught, it gets knocked down, or worse tipped up.

He also throws anticipation passes a lot. That's good and NFL QB's have to do that all the time, but I wonder if he's making that read and throwing to a spot or if he knows where he's going before the read and just puts it out there because of that.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Yeah his teammates love him and say he's a great leader.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Push him down! Make up some lies lol

Originally posted by boomer49er:
There's a TD in that video that he throw to a RB on a little dump off. The RB takes it to the house with 5 or 6 guys just blowing it on defense to let him score. Anyway, Wilson dumps it off because he sees a LB flash up the middle, but completely misses two guys wide open downfield, at least one who would have walked in for a TD if he's threw it. He had time, he just panicked. He got lucky, but in the NFL that RB gets dumped where he caught, it gets knocked down, or worse tipped up.

He also throws anticipation passes a lot. That's good and NFL QB's have to do that all the time, but I wonder if he's making that read and throwing to a spot or if he knows where he's going before the read and just puts it out there because of that.

Lol if that was Mac Jones, they'd say it was a "heady" play and he got the ball out quickly and let his players do the work.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Push him down! Make up some lies lol

He's on crack and kicks puppies!

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Push him down! Make up some lies lol

He's on crack and kicks puppies!

He doesn't tip well and also lied once

Originally posted by OliverKlozoff:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Push him down! Make up some lies lol

He's on crack and kicks puppies!

He doesn't tip well and also lied once

His teammates didn't come to his birthday party

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
There's a TD in that video that he throw to a RB on a little dump off. The RB takes it to the house with 5 or 6 guys just blowing it on defense to let him score. Anyway, Wilson dumps it off because he sees a LB flash up the middle, but completely misses two guys wide open downfield, at least one who would have walked in for a TD if he's threw it. He had time, he just panicked. He got lucky, but in the NFL that RB gets dumped where he caught, it gets knocked down, or worse tipped up.

He also throws anticipation passes a lot. That's good and NFL QB's have to do that all the time, but I wonder if he's making that read and throwing to a spot or if he knows where he's going before the read and just puts it out there because of that.

Lol if that was Mac Jones, they'd say it was a "heady" play and he got the ball out quickly and let his players do the work.

I dont like Mac Jones.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by OliverKlozoff:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Push him down! Make up some lies lol

He's on crack and kicks puppies!

He doesn't tip well and also lied once

His teammates didn't come to his birthday party

He also lied about reading the playbook and knowing about the $100.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
I dont like Mac Jones.

I said they, not you. You like Jimmy and we all know it

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
There's a TD in that video that he throw to a RB on a little dump off. The RB takes it to the house with 5 or 6 guys just blowing it on defense to let him score. Anyway, Wilson dumps it off because he sees a LB flash up the middle, but completely misses two guys wide open downfield, at least one who would have walked in for a TD if he's threw it. He had time, he just panicked. He got lucky, but in the NFL that RB gets dumped where he caught, it gets knocked down, or worse tipped up.

He also throws anticipation passes a lot. That's good and NFL QB's have to do that all the time, but I wonder if he's making that read and throwing to a spot or if he knows where he's going before the read and just puts it out there because of that.

Lol if that was Mac Jones, they'd say it was a "heady" play and he got the ball out quickly and let his players do the work.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by OliverKlozoff:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Push him down! Make up some lies lol

He's on crack and kicks puppies!

He doesn't tip well and also lied once

His teammates didn't come to his birthday party

He also lied about reading the playbook and knowing about the $100.

And even worse, he's Mormon!

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by OliverKlozoff:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Red Flags ? I read one GM said he's Manziel without the drugs.

Also :

On the negative side, they say Wilson is a rich, entitled brat who rather than being a leader, is a selfish know-it-all - his parents are a pain to deal with too.

There have been reports saying that isn't true.

They even interviewed teammates about this and it was put to bed, think it was Dax Milne but I can't find it, about his leadership. Never saw anything about his parents

Push him down! Make up some lies lol

He's on crack and kicks puppies!

He doesn't tip well and also lied once

His teammates didn't come to his birthday party

He also lied about reading the playbook and knowing about the $100.

And even worse, he's Mormon!

He wears a maga hat under his helmet!