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Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Damn right that might happen. After his Senior Bowl practices, he almost solidifies himself as a top-10 pick, especially with Matt Rhule being a huge fan of his.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Damn right that might happen. After his Senior Bowl practices, he almost solidifies himself as a top-10 pick, especially with Matt Rhule being a huge fan of his.
Well then guess we can't get him because we can't move up for QBs around here.
I know he really crushed those screens and underneath throws at the Senior Bowl lol. The QBs overall this yr at the SB were a snooze fest.
Originally posted by AsianJeff:
LOL ahh gotta love the NY sarcasm.
You forgot to mention the outside corner routes he was throwing to his receivers and tight ends in stride
You forgot to mention that he went on to miss the game for, wait for it.... an ankle injury. We already have a guy who misses games for that and you want to replace him with another 
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
I like Jimmy when you consider he's already on the team. He doesn't cost anything to have starting next year and he's shown he can play above average football for this team. We don't have to give up two or three first round picks for him.
If Wilson fell to where it wouldn't take much to move up and get him I'd be fine with that. I'd be fine with Fields in the same way. I'd be ok with Lance or Trask in the first or second (probably not at 12).
I figure next year is going to be Garoppolo and Rosen.
He cost $27M, that's not nothing.
If we roll into 2021 with JG/Rosen that's a fail
Originally posted by boomer49er:
His pay isn't relevant to that discussion. We're talking about things we'd have to give up to acquire any of these player. For JG that's absolutely nothing because we have him under control already. Besides, his pay is pretty competitive for the position.
We have a roster that will probably be better than the one that we went to the Super Bowl with a year ago. I don't see any reason to try to get cute and take big risks at the QB position. I don't see anybody in the draft that can make us better next year. I don't see anybody in free agency that will make us better next year. I don't see anybody who is actually going to be traded that will make us better next year. There's never been a rookie QB to start in a Super Bowl, I don't thinks that's just by chance.
Even just drafting a QB in the first round, without intention to start him, is going to hurt your team because it'll be a distraction all year and is denies the team of a talented player who could contribute. I imagine Rodgers would of liked to have Tee Higgins or even Justin Jefferson out there in that NFC champ game instead of a backup QB watching him with a clipboard.
One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Originally posted by 49ers808:i'm worried for boomer, i've been noticing the increase in these type of opinions
Originally posted by boomer49er:
His pay isn't relevant to that discussion. We're talking about things we'd have to give up to acquire any of these player. For JG that's absolutely nothing because we have him under control already. Besides, his pay is pretty competitive for the position.
We have a roster that will probably be better than the one that we went to the Super Bowl with a year ago. I don't see any reason to try to get cute and take big risks at the QB position. I don't see anybody in the draft that can make us better next year. I don't see anybody in free agency that will make us better next year. I don't see anybody who is actually going to be traded that will make us better next year. There's never been a rookie QB to start in a Super Bowl, I don't thinks that's just by chance.
Even just drafting a QB in the first round, without intention to start him, is going to hurt your team because it'll be a distraction all year and is denies the team of a talented player who could contribute. I imagine Rodgers would of liked to have Tee Higgins or even Justin Jefferson out there in that NFC champ game instead of a backup QB watching him with a clipboard.
One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
His pay isn't relevant to that discussion. We're talking about things we'd have to give up to acquire any of these player. For JG that's absolutely nothing because we have him under control already. Besides, his pay is pretty competitive for the position.
We have a roster that will probably be better than the one that we went to the Super Bowl with a year ago. I don't see any reason to try to get cute and take big risks at the QB position. I don't see anybody in the draft that can make us better next year. I don't see anybody in free agency that will make us better next year. I don't see anybody who is actually going to be traded that will make us better next year. There's never been a rookie QB to start in a Super Bowl, I don't thinks that's just by chance.
Even just drafting a QB in the first round, without intention to start him, is going to hurt your team because it'll be a distraction all year and is denies the team of a talented player who could contribute. I imagine Rodgers would of liked to have Tee Higgins or even Justin Jefferson out there in that NFC champ game instead of a backup QB watching him with a clipboard.
One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
His pay isn't relevant to that discussion. We're talking about things we'd have to give up to acquire any of these player. For JG that's absolutely nothing because we have him under control already. Besides, his pay is pretty competitive for the position.
We have a roster that will probably be better than the one that we went to the Super Bowl with a year ago. I don't see any reason to try to get cute and take big risks at the QB position. I don't see anybody in the draft that can make us better next year. I don't see anybody in free agency that will make us better next year. I don't see anybody who is actually going to be traded that will make us better next year. There's never been a rookie QB to start in a Super Bowl, I don't thinks that's just by chance.
Even just drafting a QB in the first round, without intention to start him, is going to hurt your team because it'll be a distraction all year and is denies the team of a talented player who could contribute. I imagine Rodgers would of liked to have Tee Higgins or even Justin Jefferson out there in that NFC champ game instead of a backup QB watching him with a clipboard.
One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
His pay isn't relevant to that discussion. We're talking about things we'd have to give up to acquire any of these player. For JG that's absolutely nothing because we have him under control already. Besides, his pay is pretty competitive for the position.
We have a roster that will probably be better than the one that we went to the Super Bowl with a year ago. I don't see any reason to try to get cute and take big risks at the QB position. I don't see anybody in the draft that can make us better next year. I don't see anybody in free agency that will make us better next year. I don't see anybody who is actually going to be traded that will make us better next year. There's never been a rookie QB to start in a Super Bowl, I don't thinks that's just by chance.
Even just drafting a QB in the first round, without intention to start him, is going to hurt your team because it'll be a distraction all year and is denies the team of a talented player who could contribute. I imagine Rodgers would of liked to have Tee Higgins or even Justin Jefferson out there in that NFC champ game instead of a backup QB watching him with a clipboard.
One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I'm not gonna read the rest if you think his pay isn't relevant
Originally posted by boomer49er:
It's not unless it prevents someone else from signing, and those things never really do because NFL teams pay an army of accounts and lawyers to make sure it doesn't. Even if it does, restructuring is very common to make room. You don't get Starting QBs outside of their rookie deals for cheaper. Carson Wentz is in line for 35 million next year.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
His pay isn't relevant to that discussion. We're talking about things we'd have to give up to acquire any of these player. For JG that's absolutely nothing because we have him under control already. Besides, his pay is pretty competitive for the position.
We have a roster that will probably be better than the one that we went to the Super Bowl with a year ago. I don't see any reason to try to get cute and take big risks at the QB position. I don't see anybody in the draft that can make us better next year. I don't see anybody in free agency that will make us better next year. I don't see anybody who is actually going to be traded that will make us better next year. There's never been a rookie QB to start in a Super Bowl, I don't thinks that's just by chance.
Even just drafting a QB in the first round, without intention to start him, is going to hurt your team because it'll be a distraction all year and is denies the team of a talented player who could contribute. I imagine Rodgers would of liked to have Tee Higgins or even Justin Jefferson out there in that NFC champ game instead of a backup QB watching him with a clipboard.
One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Defend your stance. The 2021 roster will be better than the 2019 roster.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
His pay isn't relevant to that discussion. We're talking about things we'd have to give up to acquire any of these player. For JG that's absolutely nothing because we have him under control already. Besides, his pay is pretty competitive for the position.
We have a roster that will probably be better than the one that we went to the Super Bowl with a year ago. I don't see any reason to try to get cute and take big risks at the QB position. I don't see anybody in the draft that can make us better next year. I don't see anybody in free agency that will make us better next year. I don't see anybody who is actually going to be traded that will make us better next year. There's never been a rookie QB to start in a Super Bowl, I don't thinks that's just by chance.
Even just drafting a QB in the first round, without intention to start him, is going to hurt your team because it'll be a distraction all year and is denies the team of a talented player who could contribute. I imagine Rodgers would of liked to have Tee Higgins or even Justin Jefferson out there in that NFC champ game instead of a backup QB watching him with a clipboard.
One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Defend your stance. The 2021 roster will be better than the 2019 roster.
Me having to do this makes me question how much you know this team, but sure:
2019 roster went 13-3 with the #2 defense and #2 in rushing in the NFL, 7 minutes away from winning the SB.
In 2019 we had arguably the best defensive line in the league with Bosa, Buckner, AA and Ford. Behind them were former pro bowler Kwon Alexander, Fred Warner and Greenlaw at SAM. The secondary consisted of All Pro Sherman, Moseley and top 3 Nickel in the league in Williams, Ward and Tartt. Ward also played at a top 5 FS level that year.
2021 we no longer have All Pro Buckner and who knows about Ford. We replaced Buckner with Kinlaw, and we have nothing opposite Bosa. Bosa himself is coming off of a torn ACL.
Our linebackers will still have Warner and Greenlaw, but be without Kwon. Kwon, Warner and Greenlaw > Warner, Greenlaw and Shaair
Do I really need to get into our secondary? Zero Corners, high likelihood Sherman and Kwuan isn't coming back. Tartt is also likely gone.
2021 offensive line may or may not have Williams or Richburg. That would leave holes at the 2 most important spots on the line. In 2019 we had Staley and Richburg. Aside from that, the offense does have the chance to be better or the same depending on a lot of things, QB position being the biggest factor, if it is Jimmy and can he stay healthy for a whole season again and if it isn't Jimmy then who was he replaced by. That can be said about pretty much all of our best players on offense (health), Mostert, Kittle, Deebo etc.
Now defend your statement and explain to me how the 2021 roster will be better
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
It's not unless it prevents someone else from signing, and those things never really do because NFL teams pay an army of accounts and lawyers to make sure it doesn't. Even if it does, restructuring is very common to make room. You don't get Starting QBs outside of their rookie deals for cheaper. Carson Wentz is in line for 35 million next year.
Explain how having one of the highest single cap savings contracts in the NFL, 39 FAs, and a shrunken cap doesn't have any context in any of this??
restructuring makes Jimmy basically here thru his contract. That's not smart business if you don't plan on him being the future, which based on all the tea leafs is how SF feels right now.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
His pay isn't relevant to that discussion. We're talking about things we'd have to give up to acquire any of these player. For JG that's absolutely nothing because we have him under control already. Besides, his pay is pretty competitive for the position.
We have a roster that will probably be better than the one that we went to the Super Bowl with a year ago. I don't see any reason to try to get cute and take big risks at the QB position. I don't see anybody in the draft that can make us better next year. I don't see anybody in free agency that will make us better next year. I don't see anybody who is actually going to be traded that will make us better next year. There's never been a rookie QB to start in a Super Bowl, I don't thinks that's just by chance.
Even just drafting a QB in the first round, without intention to start him, is going to hurt your team because it'll be a distraction all year and is denies the team of a talented player who could contribute. I imagine Rodgers would of liked to have Tee Higgins or even Justin Jefferson out there in that NFC champ game instead of a backup QB watching him with a clipboard.
One in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Defend your stance. The 2021 roster will be better than the 2019 roster.
Me having to do this makes me question how much you know this team, but sure:
2019 roster went 13-3 with the #2 defense and #2 in rushing in the NFL, 7 minutes away from winning the SB.
In 2019 we had arguably the best defensive line in the league with Bosa, Buckner, AA and Ford. Behind them were former pro bowler Kwon Alexander, Fred Warner and Greenlaw at SAM. The secondary consisted of All Pro Sherman, Moseley and top 3 Nickel in the league in Williams, Ward and Tartt. Ward also played at a top 5 FS level that year.
2021 we no longer have All Pro Buckner and who knows about Ford. We replaced Buckner with Kinlaw, and we have nothing opposite Bosa. Bosa himself is coming off of a torn ACL.
Our linebackers will still have Warner and Greenlaw, but be without Kwon. Kwon, Warner and Greenlaw > Warner, Greenlaw and Shaair
Do I really need to get into our secondary? Zero Corners, high likelihood Sherman and Kwuan isn't coming back. Tartt is also likely gone.
2021 offensive line may or may not have Williams or Richburg. That would leave holes at the 2 most important spots on the line. In 2019 we had Staley and Richburg. Aside from that, the offense does have the chance to be better or the same depending on a lot of things, QB position being the biggest factor, if it is Jimmy and can he stay healthy for a whole season again and if it isn't Jimmy then who was he replaced by. That can be said about pretty much all of our best players on offense (health), Mostert, Kittle, Deebo etc.
Now defend your statement and explain to me how the 2021 roster will be better
Because the core of that team is still here and still young. Guys were are going to lose like Sherman have been in decline for several years. He was clearly a liability against the faster guys in the league.
We are in relatively good cap space compared to a lot of the league and with some moves we will have enough cap room to bring back Williams, Juice, Mosley, K'waun, Hyder, Verrett, Jones, and Thomas if we want him. We'll have to cut Ford and Richburg, but neither are guys we can't replace. Ford hasn't lived up to his billing since we got him. On top of that we can still add a player or three in FA. Alex Mack, a safety and another pass rusher. We're going to have 35 million, maybe more if Garoppolo is restructured, and we back backload contracts for bigger payouts in the 3rd or 4th years after the new TV deal. That's what everyone is going to do anyway. The cap isn't going to hold us back the way people are worried about.
Kinlaw is going to improve. Having Bosa back will improve his production. Yes, Bosa's coming back from an ACL, but by the time the season starts he will have been almost a full year out from the injury, more than enough time to recover.
In short, the front 7 on defense will be just as elite as it was with more experience from the core of that group. The pass rush will be there which will cover up a lot of deficiencies that exist in the secondary, like it did in 2019.
On offense Garoppolo comes back with all of the same playmakers that were there in 2019 outside of Sanders, who is more than replaced by Aiyuk.. We will resign Williams and add a new center. There's also potential to upgrade the guards. Up the middle pressure was a problem at times in 2019, including the super bowl. Trent is an upgrade over Staley at the end of his career.
All this is before the draft which should add at least one or two contributing players to the roster.
You're entire argument is based on the assumption that we won't be able to resign the players we want. I don't believe that to be the case at all. We're going to lose Sherman and we're going to cut Ford and Richburg. I don't see anybody else leaving that we really want to keep. Williams is going to be the priority signing and after him are some of those defensive players we talked about. But the point is we're going to have 35 million to play with before we even talk about restructuring Jimmy's contract to save another 9 or 10 million. We have a thousand ways to structure contracts to make room this year and make up for it in bigger salary years.
And what is your entire argument based on? Literally everything you said is assumption since you know, none of it happened yet and nobody knows what the 2021 roster looks like. Common sense would tell you to at least see what the roster actually is before making a statement that it's better than one that was just in the SB and ranked as high as it was offensively and defensively.