Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

I think you guys are probably right, but man, if Saleh agreed to have Sam Darnold forced onto him and to pass on Zach Wilson, he's a dumbass and deserves the losing season that's coming his way.

Draft Zach Wilson, teach him the Shanahan ways, and load up the defense with the big cap space. Jets can turn things around overnight.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think you guys are probably right, but man, if Saleh agreed to have Sam Darnold forced onto him and to pass on Zach Wilson, he's a dumbass and deserves the losing season that's coming his way.

Draft Zach Wilson, teach him the Shanahan ways, and load up the defense with the big cap space. Jets can turn things around overnight.

Not overnight, I still think we understate how difficult it is to win consistently with a rookie. I'm not going to look it up, but as far as I remember Lamar Jackson was the last with a winning record, and he didn't play all year.

Can anyone tell me the last rookie QB to start the season and have a winning record? If I had to guess it would be Wentz.

By Year 2, yeah you'd be cooking, and that goes for us if we go up as well.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Not overnight, I still think we understate how difficult it is to win consistently with a rookie. I'm not going to look it up, but as far as I remember Lamar Jackson was the last with a winning record, and he didn't play all year.

Can anyone tell me the last rookie QB to start the season and have a winning record? If I had to guess it would be Wentz.

By Year 2, yeah you'd be cooking, and that goes for us if we go up as well.

I think he can absolutely do it overnight if they draft Zach Wilson. There's going to be a ton of great players available to sign this year due to the reduced cap, they have a f**k ton of cap space and 11 draft picks, 2 of which are in the first, and 2 in the 3rd!

This offense doesn't need a rookie QB to carry them. Install the wide zone scheme, beef up the OL , and acquire the proper RBs. Pound the rock and allow Zach Wilson to make a few plays a game. I mean we saw Shanahan do this here with Jimmy. Saleh does his thing with a newly stacked defense, and they absolutely can turn things around overnight.

Saleh could be fielding this hypothetical top-5 DL on day 1 with their cap:

Carl Lawson - Foley Fatukasi - Quinnen Williams - Romeo Okwara

If they don't some how get Wilson, pass rusher is the only option I'd go. Just pray that Mac Jones falls to the 2nd.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
If they don't some how get Wilson, pass rusher is the only option I'd go. Just pray that Mac Jones falls to the 2nd.

No pass rushers worth it this year, it sucks because the Jets & Falcons absolutely would have considered one, and QB would have been much more accessible.

Sorry, just realized that you meant for us.

Azeez might be worth it, but I'd be looking to trade down if we're desperate for an edge.

They'll be some really great prospects at #12 either way.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Just pray that Mac Jones falls to the 2nd.

That's not happening.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Not overnight, I still think we understate how difficult it is to win consistently with a rookie. I'm not going to look it up, but as far as I remember Lamar Jackson was the last with a winning record, and he didn't play all year.

Can anyone tell me the last rookie QB to start the season and have a winning record? If I had to guess it would be Wentz.

By Year 2, yeah you'd be cooking, and that goes for us if we go up as well.

In terms of the 49ers, as long as you have a dominant pass rush, a strong run game and you improve the OL, you don't need the QB to do a whole lot beyond hitting the receivers that Shanahan has schemed to be wide open.

As far as other teams go, its just a matter of having enough pieces around the QB and not overfilling their plate. The Steelers rolled to the Superbowl and won it with a rookie Big Ben and they never asked him to do more than to play within the offense andmake the plays when they were there. The more support you give the QB, the more favorable circumstances you give them, the more likely they are to succeed.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Not overnight, I still think we understate how difficult it is to win consistently with a rookie. I'm not going to look it up, but as far as I remember Lamar Jackson was the last with a winning record, and he didn't play all year.

Can anyone tell me the last rookie QB to start the season and have a winning record? If I had to guess it would be Wentz.

By Year 2, yeah you'd be cooking, and that goes for us if we go up as well.

In terms of the 49ers, as long as you have a dominant pass rush, a strong run game and you improve the OL, you don't need the QB to do a whole lot beyond hitting the receivers that Shanahan has schemed to be wide open.

As far as other teams go, its just a matter of having enough pieces around the QB and not overfilling their plate. The Steelers rolled to the Superbowl and won it with a rookie Big Ben and they never asked him to do more than to play within the offense andmake the plays when they were there. The more support you give the QB, the more favorable circumstances you give them, the more likely they are to succeed.

That's all well and good Phoenix, but it's not been done for a long time. Deshaun was great as a rookie, but Herbert broke practically every record and still had a losing record, and that was with being gifted a win by the Chiefs.

I'm just saying it's risky. Yes I think Zach will be great eventually, not sure he will be as a rookie, going to see pressures and coverages he's not even dreamt of.

Edit

Just looked up Deshaun's rookie year, even though he was raved about, they still went 3-3 before he did his knee.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's all well and good Phoenix, but it's not been done for a long time. Deshaun was great as a rookie, but Herbert broke practically every record and still had a losing record, and that was with being gifted a win by the Chiefs.

I'm just saying it's risky. Yes I think Zach will be great eventually, not sure he will be as a rookie, going to see pressures and coverages he's not even dreamt of.

Yeah but Herbert was also given an iffy OL, inconsistent run game and a mediocre coaching staff. I'd look more at Russell Wilson as a rookie and how he did with a team that lots of talent, good coaching and didn't ask too much of him. s**t, Mark Sanchez made it to the AFCCG as a rookie.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's all well and good Phoenix, but it's not been done for a long time. Deshaun was great as a rookie, but Herbert broke practically every record and still had a losing record, and that was with being gifted a win by the Chiefs.

I'm just saying it's risky. Yes I think Zach will be great eventually, not sure he will be as a rookie, going to see pressures and coverages he's not even dreamt of.

Yeah but Herbert was also given an iffy OL, inconsistent run game and a mediocre coaching staff. I'd look more at Russell Wilson as a rookie and how he did with a team that lots of talent, good coaching and didn't ask too much of him. s**t, Mark Sanchez made it to the AFCCG as a rookie.

Teams have had this option for a while, granted there are success stories, but the majority suck until year 2 at least.

It's a big risk to take, especially if you're trading a bunch as well.

I think Zach is worth the risk, I just don't expect to work from Day 1, it's just what you're comfortable with, and maybe more importantly what you tell the owner and locker room if you do take that step back.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Teams have had this option for a while, granted there are success stories, but the majority suck until year 2 at least.

It's a big risk to take, especially if you're trading a bunch as well.

I think Zach is worth the risk, I just don't expect to work from Day 1, it's just what you're comfortable with, and maybe more importantly what you tell the owner and locker room if you do take that step back.

If nothing else I think you could move up for Wilson, trade Garoppolo and then bring in Andy Dalton as your bridge QB, let him start early on and then hand the reins to Wilson at some point during the season. Either that or you keep Garoppolo, let Wilson sit for a year and then trade Garoppolo but that would limit your financial flexibility considerably.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Teams have had this option for a while, granted there are success stories, but the majority suck until year 2 at least.

It's a big risk to take, especially if you're trading a bunch as well.

I think Zach is worth the risk, I just don't expect to work from Day 1, it's just what you're comfortable with, and maybe more importantly what you tell the owner and locker room if you do take that step back.

If nothing else I think you could move up for Wilson, trade Garoppolo and then bring in Andy Dalton as your bridge QB, let him start early on and then hand the reins to Wilson at some point during the season. Either that or you keep Garoppolo, let Wilson sit for a year and then trade Garoppolo but that would limit your financial flexibility considerably.

All of my rookie QB scenarios have Jimmy staying, I get the cap situation but it's best for the team IMO. The more your spend the harder it is to justify keeping Jimmy though.

What I'd love is for him to play well enough to get an Alex Smith type trade, while we go onto our Mahomes.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think you guys are probably right, but man, if Saleh agreed to have Sam Darnold forced onto him and to pass on Zach Wilson, he's a dumbass and deserves the losing season that's coming his way.

Draft Zach Wilson, teach him the Shanahan ways, and load up the defense with the big cap space. Jets can turn things around overnight.

I think Wilson is great but I wouldn't blame anyone for sticking with Darnold. The history of the NFL draft is filled with can't miss QBs prospects who became huge busts. I wouldn't blame them at all to move down and acquire more picks if they believe they can salvage Darnold's career.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
If they don't some how get Wilson, pass rusher is the only option I'd go. Just pray that Mac Jones falls to the 2nd.

According to everyone in here Jones is a stud lol why would he drop to the 2nd?

Originally posted by miked1978:
I think Wilson is great but I wouldn't blame anyone for sticking with Darnold. The history of the NFL draft is filled with can't miss QBs prospects who became huge busts. I wouldn't blame them at all to move down and acquire more picks if they believe they can salvage Darnold's career.

You're right. I'm biased because I thought Sam Darnold was doo doo coming out of college, so I wouldn't hitch my wagon to him.